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Old 03-21-2021, 04:39 PM   #1
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How to play flopped nut flush in general?

I play in a 2/5/10 game. Usually I have to content against two or 3 players in the pot. When I bet the flop(doesn't matter the size), I get calls. But then they don't call the turn bet. Or when I check the turn and bet the river, they fold anyway.

Point is that when the board runs clean, all I can get is one street of value. It's generally a lose game but with a flopped nut flush, It's hard to get more than one street of value. I realize that I do better with nut flush draws + two pair/set/straight draws since I can push the action and they will call with inferior draws.
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Old 03-21-2021, 05:34 PM   #2
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Re: How to play flopped nut flush in general?

You made EV money from these players preflop and on the flop. It adds up to a lot of money. This train of thought is the best way to approach it instead of your view of, "only getting one street of value."

Be the best damn preflop player in your game and it is worth a fortune. Then be the best damn flop player in your game and your riches grow larger. Do the same thing for every street. But you can't be frustrated at players for playing bad preflop and playing bad on the flop, but then not paying you off on multiple streets postflop, especially on a monotone flop. People are gifting you a ton of money if you flop the nut flush, you bet the flop and get multiple callers.

Now if the game is so bad that you can't beat the rake, then find a better game. But if you are routinely getting 3+ opponents on any type of flop, then the game has potential.

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Old 03-21-2021, 07:27 PM   #3
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Re: How to play flopped nut flush in general?

I’m doing real well in it. Just figuring a way to improve in that situation.
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Old 03-21-2021, 07:57 PM   #4
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Re: How to play flopped nut flush in general?

Some of the ways people uses phrases are different, but let me use the phrase "lock down" as an example. I'm not talking about any raising preflop or any kind of check raising on the flop, but monotone lock downs are unique compared to other lock downs because you can't tie/chop a flush in Omaha.

On a paired flop, two people can have the same full house. On a straight flop, two or more people can have the same straight. But on a flush flop there is no way to tie/chop if a flush ends up being the best hand and I think it factors into ways monotone boards play out. At some point on a monotone board your opponents have to give up. And they chase the flop and give up on turn or river. Where as, your opponents can chase the straight board for multiple streets.

I see flush flops as "one and done" boards for many opponents. BUT BUT BUT even for skilled players it is amazing how differently flush flops are played now in 6 max compared to before solvers.

My biggest advice is don't be too predictable. Mix it up a bit with how you play the nut flush, second nut flush and even third nut flush on a monotone board. Depending on how deep we are talking about, you don't want to fold a flopped flush, therefore if you have a fourth nut flush or worse flush I would try and keep the pot small.

This sub-forum is probably one of the biggest "it depends" areas on 2+2. For example, I disagree with Borg23 on how to play some hands, but "it depends" on your style. Two people can both be right. You titled this thread flopping the nut flush. But the magic happens in picking your style of play for the second/third nut flopped flushes.

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Old 03-21-2021, 08:34 PM   #5
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Re: How to play flopped nut flush in general?

I've been playing a long time. And I'm of the philosophy of doing the heavy lifting myself. It is amazing how many times over the years there have been no tables running at cash or a sit and go and I've had to be the table starter. I'm use to doing the heavy lifting instead of relying on opponents. Therefore I'm mostly betting the flop with my nut flush instead of doing anything fancy. Against 1 or 2 opponents I'm mostly betting the second nut flush on the flop against weaker opponents. Etc. But when I get super deep, my philosophy changes. I didn't spend the last 6 hours building a deep stack to screw up with the non-nuts.

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Old 03-25-2021, 01:10 PM   #6
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Re: How to play flopped nut flush in general?

If you really feel that you can't ever get value from the nut flush, the solution it to work in times that you can make a bluff with the nut flush blocker. Then it's not as big of a deal that they fold too much since you're getting them to fold better hands when you're bluffing.
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Old 03-25-2021, 03:36 PM   #7
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Re: How to play flopped nut flush in general?

General strategy is to go 1/3 first street then generally go for pot future streets. You mix your range every street to put nut flushes in every part of your tree. Generally you go smaller/trap when you have pair blockers more because you block more combos you can charge and also gain less from protection. You also tend to go more aggressively for value when you block their calling range by having second or third nut flush blockers.

Generally mono boards are very mixed, but using those general rules you can explo and give your strategy weighting as you please.

As to not getting paid, well, yes, people fold when the nuts are obvious and you bet into multiway. The solution then is to

a) make pots less multiway by isolating and 3betting more aggressively

b) bluff more when people fold too much.

c) don't overvalue your implied odds pre and just assume you're going to win a huge pot whenever you flop a strong hand.

Added note, you should bluff with more than just the nut flush blocker. There are lots of spots where second nut blocker is a better blocker than the nut blocker due to second nut flush being a more significant portion of their range. It's easy to extrapolate this to player who play faceup and in a way that you'd reduce their chance of having a nut flush (ie. if they don't trap them enough).

In some cases, if people really are folding too much, you can nut and just mash every third nut blocker or better that doesn't block sets.
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Old 04-08-2021, 12:41 PM   #8
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Re: How to play flopped nut flush in general?

It is technically a 3-streets of value hand that needs to be balanced with bluffs and semis. It is more or less irrelevant if they call or not. If you find them folding too often, you exploit it.

How likely they will call one bet on the flop, depends on flop, and there is often a reason to protect vs. two pairs and sets. If not, a check might be better.

If they think you are likely enough to have the nuts, they have no reason to call. Sometimes tricks work, if they don't think you rate to have it.
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