i do think that too, and i'm actually ~sure about it.

In today's climate of anti money laundering, you'd think Stars would smell something funny if accounts that played semi decent volume were withdrawing and moving funds around so often.

3 flags to look for:
-low balance relative to the stakes they play
-move money in/out much higher frequency than average
-player to player transfers between suspected accounts

Can somebody make a step plan how to set these filters this way. Want to check some of this in my own database, but I'm a HM noob.

They would have to be really stupid to link complete unlinked acounts from different countries to each other by player transfers when they are colluding.

On what you base these assumptions?
Stars "didn't smell anything funny" on FedorZayvev&co bot ring and there was one account who played just plo $50, 4-tabling 800k hands, while winning over 8bb/100 pre rakeback.
The amount of refunds implied the bot ring kept bare minimum on their accounts.
After all there is no rules on deposit/withdrawal frequency. People used to exploit this getting Neteller/Skrill cashback.
If their fraud team cares about something it's credit card charge backs - anything else comes far behind.

Yeah, they basically don't care about cheating unless it directly affects their bottom line.

hello men, long time lazy player returning to stars recently.

any chance of some cliffs on these bottingtons?

I'm saying that any organization that takes customer funds should have such checks in place due to the AML nowadays.

Goto your bank and try withdrawing and depositing 10k USD regularly and see if they don't ask you questions.

It doesn't have to be large 10k transactions but just the frequency should trigger Stars to at least question why.

you guys forget one important thing - the accounts, regardless if they are bots or colluders or similar, might not even know who the other accounts are. It is not a 100% sure that they see which cards are folded by others in the same group and act accordingly. In fact that would be pretty hard when playing 15 tables like some of the accused accounts do.

They could just pay a % of their winnings (or have paid a large amount of $ initially) to own a software that tells them whether to stack off or fold in certain situations. This software could base its decisions based on what cards have been folded by others, who own the same software.

Actually, this is a pretty easy way to share cards between unknown accounts, which can be from different countries and not linked to each other in any way. Some of them will read the posts here and cashout most of their bankroll, some of them will not.

What I am trying to say is that one should not see any linkages between those accounts - money transfers, moving large amount of money in the same short period of time, or any stat similarities. For this reason they will be off the radars of pokerstars and the players.

I know money laundering regulations are quite strict these days.
KYC and source of wealth documentation are still very easy to pass especially when you are a net winner.
There is legit reasons to keep your balance low: for example backers, tilting tendencies or distrust to the site.
To my knowledge there's no limits on how often you can withdraw or deposit on PokerStars as long as you are doing this to play poker or their other games.

thank you pasta,
concerns me that you got so much **** from regular poster when you started providing proof of collusion/botting.
I am really interested in the entire list, hopefully we see it soon. There are a few players that come instantly in my mind.

meh makes me sick thinking about how much money i lost/did not win due colluding on other sites.

So what is the latest response from Stars? If any at all. Very disturbing stuff...

Its problem.

Seriously i doubt we'll here a statement at all.
Something like "some players violated our terms & condition..." without going into details

Hi guys,

A couple of friends gave me the advice to post one more time here because my posts might have made me look a bit guilty in the eyes of some guys here.

I would like to be clear one more time that I am not going to post any results/stats/graphs in this thread. I regret not giving a reason why; it could give me some serious tax issues with the country I am from if I would post all my results over the last 4/5 years (I moved to Malta for a reason) + I like a bit of privacy.
As I said before as well, I have no problem sending usable information to regs I played a bunch with or to guys good with statistics. I would need a little bit of help tho since I am a hold em manager noob.

I expected the rumours about me cheating to go away pretty fast. My plan was to give Pastafiore all the information he needed from me so he could post here I am not cheating. However he never responded to my PM and didn't accept my skype invitation. That obviously made me really upset about him. I played like half an hour today for the first time in weeks and a couple of regs were allready accusing me of cheating in the chat which is very disturbing to my mindset because the accusation is false.

i want to go this trough on public, and i haven't asked your full results graph, you just did not use even filters what i asked for, you're behind a nickname too, so i still don't see any reason why don't you post that on public, even if you posted one graph already. only possibility for me to be wrong is that my HEM is broken somehow, and it shows only few players, and already banned botring graphs wrong, not the last thousands of nicks, wouldn't that soud a bit odd? i'm not saying you are colluding nowdays, but HEM says you did that in the past. no one will belive that tax thing, after you did post one graph already.

if you was on my situation, trying to bust colluders, with that hard evidence, would you go and try to reach that nicks, and ask from them "are you colluding the games?". i assume that also schwein for example did't go and start chatting in prvate with botring last time also. that conversation would have been as polarized, and sense makig as if daniel negreanu and donald trump would try to discuss. i think as same in this situation now.

you should have gave me a real/easier to belive -reason for that why i should talk with you by pm. i'm a person who does not think by feeling, when there's something conceretic on the table, and logic goes before everything, just like that you still have zero reasons, why youre not posting graphs i asked for, and now you have also got time to modify your db or stuff like that.

i have to admit that you were not even close the first one of suspects on my list on nowdays, but i also did suspect you almost instantly when we played first draws few years ago, so everything makes sense for me sofar.

I posted a graph of only 200plo hands played this year on my grind computer with filters I thought were right. (referring to your ''no one will believe that tax thing, after you did post one graph allready'')

If I were you and I accused somebody of cheating I would talk to him when he is trying to contact me to show he is not cheating.
I told you I am willing to send you and others all the information from my database you need and what do you do? You are closing your ears.
You are really being a huge ******* to me and someday you will find out you were totally wrong about me. Your post is super retarted in my eyes.

I am posting here because I hate to have a bad reputation in the poker world. I am not afraid of a Pokerstars investigation because I have nothing to hide and never did or will cheat.

that's not the filters i asked for, and if you can put even some filters there by yourself, you can't be that dumb to do it wrong like that - it was really obviously made by purpose that way. there's a text on top of graph, wich says what filters are on, it's pretty impossible to understand it the way you did.

there's still zero reasons, why you did not do that, even now on public?

would you like to recive that stuff to your pc from very likely cheater if you was me? -there have been things in past, that professional players have lost their money at online poker because talking via messenger/skype with cheater. (troijans or stuff, i dont remember) there's no reason for that why wouldn't you prove yourself as a legit on public. or is there? ppl don't see your vpip and 3bet% from a graph.

i'm actually more polite for you now, than some others in this thread for example. i just say everything straight, as i think, and i dont see use for smilies or memes ATM.

i don't care about those, when it would have took less time than writing that message from you to prove yourself legit for many times, if you are. there's only one logic explanation for that atm. last thing i want to do is harm a legit player, and if you're a legit player, you understand me and my methods for sure.

you can post graph with right filters, by just doing like last time, but clear the date filter, putting graph in BB's, and include all stakes, as i have told you.

Pasta thanks for all ur hard work

https://gyazo.com/573b8cf28dcd22f38dc2149dd00f362b

Here you go, if I need to change anything don't tell me I am trying to hide stuff on purpose but just tell me what to change.

Conclusion?

as i told you, you have got plenty of time to modify you db now, and i still don't understand why you didn't post instantly that graph, if youre legit. there's also possibility for that it's modified, resolutions with this and exiting(https://gyazo.com/98720cdac6de56d87a3751503867172a) are different, and swings soes look exactly same in bigblinds and as in money on that last 3,5k hands, wich is not possible if you haven't played plo200 only, and i do remember you playing higher during this year? my also hem still says what it says, can you take that window also down from the left down corner, and post your graphs with filters i used in other graphs? we do also have now more large dbs, so we'll check those asap too. and your nonsd is still positive unlike every1 else legit ones we have checked, so that graph proves nothing yet for 100%. if my HEM does have a bug, i'll send you my deepest apoligies, not yet. import is in progress.

I don't have a clue to modify my database lol since all hands are saved in one map. As I told you before I am a total hold em manager noob (yes I know every cheater would say so). I only use hold em manager for same standard stats at the table and to check my results at the end of the session/day.
I told you why I don't want to post graphs on a forum, but I posted those anyway because I am fed up with this and I don't give away that much info because it's only a small amount of hands in a certain spot.
I played very little 2/4, 2,5/5 and 3/6 this year. That's why over the last 3,5k hands it looks exactly the same. 300k hands were 1/2 and only 9k hands were played above (the few hands I played on my laptop not included).

Here is a new graph with the window down: https://gyazo.com/bb1d5ff41fb81189a6fa5642af003207

It just seems impossible to prove I am not cheating. I could obviously always be running some kind of software....I guess that's the way poker is unfortunately in 2016.

Y.S.o, If you want to prove your innocence you could request all of your HHs from the last 4 years and then forward those emails with the download links to Pastafiore so he can download the hands directly from the Stars server and do his own analysis. After you receive all of the replies with download links, message them back and ask them to confirm how many links they have sent and forward their reply to Pastafiore as well.

What does Stars say to all of this?

If a guy can find out such anomalies in EV lines with his limited data, Stars should be able to detect these acounts within a few hours of investigation.

But the answer probably is they just don´t care as long as the raketrain comes in...

This sounds a good way to prove ones innocence.

to be fair, its also a request that a bunch of completely honest players would never dream of agreeing to.