as far as i know they don't. I'd be interested to know what the true ev here is. Since there is $126 + $6 in dead money by the river where should this be accounted for?? I've included it at the point he folds.

Obviously if i fold at any point it becomes a non-showdown loss, so should my true ev be calculated something like:

0.54*($126*2+$4) + 0.75*($382*2 + $126+$2)+0.48*(26*2) = $832.2

making the hand +$296.2

whereas hem says my ev is (approx):

0.48*$1200 = $570

making the hand +$36

I'd like to see a calc like this for all my showdown hands to get an idea of a more true expected value.

Yeah - someday they will write a real EV calculator (by street)...

that is a joke

So can we now start to ignore/berate all the people moaning about being X000 buyins below ev?

Sure once I'm running above expectation, we cam shun the people who complain complain about running below expectation.

Good read

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $6(BB) Replayer
SB ($376)
BB ($1,606)
UTG ($652)
CO ($1,399)
Hero ($651)

Dealt to Hero A 4 T A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $21, fold, BB raises to $66, Hero raises to $201, BB calls $135

FLOP ($405) 7 9 9

BB checks, Hero checks

TURN ($405) 7 9 9 J

BB bets $403, Hero raises to $450 (AI), BB calls $47.10

RIVER ($1,305) 7 9 9 J A

BB shows 9 K 5 K
(Pre 33%, Flop 89.9%, Turn 95.0%)

Hero shows A 4 T A
(Pre 67%, Flop 10.1%, Turn 5.0%)

Hero wins $1,303

The whole idea of a program telling you your EV without having a fully defined ruleset for both players is obviously futile.

The only way I can think of to objectively discount the variance in your results is to only look at the street where the $ goes all-in, and only adjust for that part of the money.

Thus if there is a 10k pot where 6k goes in preflop, and you put your remaining 2k in as a 60-40 favorite...

Instead of the result being either +5k or -5k, it would be either (+5k-(.4*4k) or (-5k+(.6*4k)).

This would NOT purport to tell you your true expectation, it would just reduce some of the variance from your results and thus let you estimate your longterm EV with a higher confidence interval, or with a smaller sample sizing using the same confidence interval as before.

Full Tilt Poker $25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $10 Ante - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $9990.00
MP: $2194.50
Hero (CO): $13183.50
BTN: $12847.00
SB: $2657.00
BB: $6173.50

Pre Flop: ($135.00) Hero is CO with Q 5 J 3
UTG raises to $235, 1 fold, Hero raises to $537.50, 3 folds, UTG calls $302.50

Flop: ($1210.00) 4 A 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1050, UTG raises to $2900, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $4750, UTG raises to $9442.50 all in, Hero calls $4692.50

Turn: ($20095.00) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($20095.00) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($20095.00) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($20095.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $20095.00
UTG shows 9 4 3 T (a flush, Nine high)
Hero shows Q 5 J 3 (a straight, Five high)
Hero wins $10045.50
UTG wins $10045.50
(Rake: $4.00)

Just wow

Poker Stars $25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 3 players
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Hero (SB): $19682.00
BB: $5200.00
BTN: $2268.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is SB with T 8 9 9
BTN raises to $100, Hero calls $75, BB raises to $400, 1 fold, Hero calls $300

Flop: ($900.00) 8 6 A (2 players)
Hero bets $50, BB calls $50

Turn: ($1000.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $50, BB raises to $850, Hero raises to $3500, BB raises to $4750 all in, Hero calls $1250

River: ($10500.00) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $10500.00
Hero shows T 8 9 9 (a straight, Six to Ten)
BB shows 7 8 A A (three of a kind, Aces)
Hero wins $10499.00
(Rake: $1.00)

ahhh some hands really remind you why poker is fun

ignore pf but whats with flop lol, well the min bets in general

Poker Stars $10/$20 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

AAtaraxia (BB): $2000.00
MrValueB (UTG): $1517.50
ANM-0001 (CO): $2398.00
berenice11 (BTN): $2470.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00)
MrValueB raises to $40, 3 folds, AAtaraxia calls $20

Flop: ($90.00) J Q 7 (2 players)
AAtaraxia checks, MrValueB bets $20, AAtaraxia raises to $100, MrValueB raises to $180, AAtaraxia calls $80

Turn: ($450.00) 6 (2 players)
AAtaraxia checks, MrValueB bets $20, AAtaraxia raises to $360, MrValueB raises to $700, AAtaraxia calls $340

River: ($1850.00) 2 (2 players)
AAtaraxia checks, MrValueB bets $20, AAtaraxia calls $20

Final Pot: $1890.00
AAtaraxia mucks T 9 A K
MrValueB shows 5 K J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
MrValueB wins $1888.00
(Rake: $2.00)

gordos posts always deliver

Poker Stars $25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $775.00
BB: $21302.00
Hero (UTG): $14700.00
MP: $3421.00
CO: $1791.00
BTN: $3047.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is UTG with Q J Q J
Hero raises to $125, MP calls $125, 2 folds, SB raises to $550, BB raises to $1900, Hero calls $1775, MP calls $1775, SB calls $225 all in

Flop: ($6475.00) Q 9 8 (4 players - 1 is all in)
BB bets $6472, Hero raises to $12800 all in, MP folds, BB calls $6328

Turn: ($32075.00) K (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($32075.00) 7 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $32075.00
SB shows A A K 3 (a pair of Aces)
BB shows 7 T Q 8 (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Hero shows Q J Q J (a flush, King high)
Hero wins $28975.00
Hero wins $3097.00
(Rake: $3.00)

98 on the flop fffffssssssssss

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PL Omaha $6(BB) IPoker
SB ($619)
BB ($645)
UTG ($138)
UTG+1 ($646)
CO ($368)
Hero ($2,052)

Dealt to Hero A T A Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $21, fold, BB calls $15

FLOP ($45) A 9 J

BB checks, Hero bets $30, BB raises to $135, Hero raises to $450, BB raises to $624 (AI), Hero calls $174

TURN ($1,293) A 9 J T

RIVER ($1,293) A 9 J T K

Hero shows A T A Q
(Pre 73%, Flop 98.4%, Turn 90.0%)

BB shows A J Q 3
(Pre 27%, Flop 1.6%, Turn 10.0%)

Hero wins $645
BB wins $645

Quick line check please. Villain seems pretty normal. Nothing out of the ordinay, very reg.
$2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB Villain ($1,853.75)
BB Hero ($402.75)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 2 players) Hero is BB 10 7 8 J
IceBeard raises to $12, Hero raises to $36, IceBeard calls $24

Flop: J A 8 ($72, 2 players)
Hero bets $52.45, IceBeard calls $52.45

Turn: 2 ($176.90, 2 players)
Hero bets $176.90, IceBeard raises to $707.60, Hero calls $137.40

I'd play it the same

Flops a standard ship too, right? Questioning a lot of things lately @_@

flop might be a fold if he jams depending on villian.

flop is definitely a fold if he raises

I hate this game



The swong is actually from 270k$ to 70k$ because it's mostly in €Euros but the tracker doesn't realize it

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $50.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

MP ($2500)
CO ($11645)
Button ($6441)
SB ($5497)
BB ($4850)
Hero (UTG) ($12063)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, 9, Q, J
Hero bets $175, 1 fold, CO calls $175, Button calls $175, SB calls $150, 1 fold

Flop: ($750) 4, 9, 9 (4 players)
SB bets $500, Hero raises to $1277.95, CO raises to $5080.85, 1 fold, SB raises to $5322 (All-In), Hero raises to $11888 (All-In), CO calls $6389.15 (All-In)

Turn: ($29012) K (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($29012) 6 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $29012 | Rake: $3

Results:
SB had 9, Q, Q, A (three of a kind, nines).
Hero had A, 9, Q, J (three of a kind, nines).
CO had 4, 8, 5, 4 (full house, fours over nines).
Outcome: CO won $29009


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $50.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

MP ($3660)
Button ($9993)
SB ($2000)
BB ($3373)
Hero (UTG) ($10260)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, J, 8, Q
Hero bets $150, 1 fold, Button calls $150, 2 folds

Flop: ($375) Q, 6, 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $300, Button raises to $1250, Hero calls $950

Turn: ($2875) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1550, Hero calls $1550

River: ($5975) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5973, Hero calls $5973

Total pot: $17921 | Rake: $2

Results:
Button had 4, Q, J, Q (full house, Queens over tens).
Hero mucked 10, J, 8, Q (full house, tens over Queens).
Outcome: Button won $17919


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $50.00 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($5773)
SB ($2346)
Hero (BB) ($6587)
UTG ($8524)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, K, 10, A
UTG bets $175, 1 fold, SB calls $150, Hero raises to $700, UTG calls $525, SB calls $525

Flop: ($2100) 3, 10, 10 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($2100) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1375, UTG raises to $5050, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5887 (All-In), UTG calls $837

River: ($13874) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $13874 | Rake: $2

Results:
Hero had Q, K, 10, A (three of a kind, tens).
UTG had 9, 10, 7, 5 (full house, tens over nines).
Outcome: UTG won $13872


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $50.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($7506.50)
SB ($4010)
BB ($5000)
Hero (UTG) ($8709.50)
MP ($9539)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, 10, 6, A
Hero bets $175, MP raises to $600, Button calls $600, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2475, MP raises to $8100, Button calls $6906.50 (All-In), Hero raises to $8709.50 (All-In), MP calls $609.50

Flop: ($25000.50) 7, 4, 2 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($25000.50) 2 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($25000.50) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $25000.50 | Rake: $2

Results:
Button had 9, 8, 7, 8 (two pair, nines and sevens).
Hero had A, 10, 6, A (two pair, Aces and twos).
MP had 2, K, K, 3 (flush, King high).
Outcome: MP won $24998.50


Stoopid stoopid fockin game.

Sick hands Gavz.. Even though you may have an edge at 25/50.. is 5/10 and 10/20 really not big enough?

running it twice i have found to be twice as tilting so may have to stop it

but it should make for some sweet bbv posts when someone gets super binked post flop.

gordo or gavz or blopp or someone can i make a request for a set+flushdraw over set+nodraw where the one out binks the first board and a backdoor gutball hits the 2nd?

ty in advance

wow. what site is this?