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09-07-2009 , 01:13 PM
im really bad at reading these graphs but youre likely running on the worse side of things and getting absolutely murdered in non-showdown winnings
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09-07-2009 , 02:08 PM
Wouldnt showdown winnings being above sklansky bucks mean ur running above EV?

I really need to learn how to read these things.
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09-07-2009 , 02:14 PM
Yes^^
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09-07-2009 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by too eazy


what does this mean?
It seems to me you've ran 25k$ above EV and lost a bunch in non-showdown pots. Also based on this sample you're a losing player.
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09-07-2009 , 04:40 PM
too eazy NEVER bluffs is more like it...
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09-07-2009 , 04:56 PM
Move down and stop stealing my moneyz
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09-08-2009 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by too eazy
but my net run thing on the luck whatever seems to have me losing more than i should...

anyone help out a breakeven loser like me with figuring it out?
The net run is only affected by all ins, so it means you are running below your expected all ins. However, as your showdown line > SB line, it means you must be getting "lucky" in pots that aren't all in, eg calling turns with draws and hitting them a lot, that kinda thing.
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09-08-2009 , 11:18 PM
Second hand. Villain is playing a 6-max table and two mixed limit 7-games. Standard?


Full Tilt Poker $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (BB): $606.00
BTN/SB: $594.00

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with 2 A Q 8
BTN/SB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 3 Q A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $25, Hero raises to $90, BTN/SB calls $65

Turn: ($216.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $192, BTN/SB calls $192

River: ($600.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $294 all in, Hero folds

BTN/SB wins $599.50
(Rake: $0.50)
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09-08-2009 , 11:20 PM
I play the same, sometime i dont mind just flatting the flop and c-raising a blank turn.
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09-09-2009 , 01:01 AM
I'm happy to take whatever fancy postflop line seems right at the time but i definitely fold pf 100% of the time
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09-09-2009 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wazz
I'm happy to take whatever fancy postflop line seems right at the time but i definitely fold pf 100% of the time
Are you referring to Dmoogle's hand? I'm 3-betting before I fold.
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09-09-2009 , 02:02 AM
Well I'm not a HU specialist and don't play HU specialists ever as far as I know, so take it with a pinch of salt, but I don't much like playing AQ82 with three diamonds out of position 100bb deep expecting aggression on later streets. I don't buy that we can play this profitably unless we know villain really well.
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09-09-2009 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Doorbread
Are you referring to Dmoogle's hand? I'm 3-betting before I fold.
If you 3bet me with that hand and it got to showdown a fit of rage would overcome me.
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09-09-2009 , 07:17 AM
I rarely would but I'm even more rarely folding it. Maybe I'm too loose OOP.
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09-09-2009 , 08:44 AM
i don't think i'm folding that HU against a wide opening range either
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09-09-2009 , 12:28 PM
Beat: Moved down from 5/10 to some 1/2 and 2/4 at the start of summer after running 45k below ev and losing a substantial % of my br. My graph since:



FML
Any tips?
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09-09-2009 , 07:55 PM
^ You're a nit and your BB/100 from expected to actual confuses me (how are the #s right?) ^
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09-09-2009 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxRaises
^ You're a nit and your BB/100 from expected to actual confuses me (how are the #s right?) ^
yea that's been messed up on my pokerEV for a month of something now, never seems to calculate it right if i have hands from different stakes, dunno if anyone else has had that problem.
Where do you get nit from?
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09-09-2009 , 09:51 PM
When he c/r the turn I though he had 88, i still called. I have it stuck in my head this is a hard lay down to make. The more i think about it the more i'm convinced its a snap fold. Anyone play it different?

$10/$20 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($6634.50)
CO ($3902.00)
BTN ($2241.30)
SB ($3608.50)
BB ($5931.00)

Pre-flop: ($30, 5 players) Hero is UTG 6 5 5 6
Hero raises to $70, 2 folds, SB calls $60, BB calls $50

Flop: 6 8 2 ($210, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $145, SB folds, BB calls $145

Turn: Q ($500, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $285, BB raises to $1,150, Hero calls $865

River: 8 ($2,800, 2 players)
BB bets $1,750, Hero calls $1,750

Final Pot: $6,300
BB shows: K Q 6 Q

BB wins $6,297 ( won +$3,182 )
Hero lost -$3,115
SB lost -$70
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09-09-2009 , 10:39 PM
It would be a ridiculously bad laydown imo. You could feasibly call the turn and fold the river against a bunch of people, but folding the turn to anyone but the biggest nit would be a big mistake.
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09-09-2009 , 10:53 PM
Ship or fold turn. You're going to make a lot of incorrect decisions on the river where he can choose to rep (not saying he will) anything and you'll be more likely to take a happy showdown.
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09-10-2009 , 03:26 AM
Who is villain? That matters a lot.
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09-10-2009 , 05:34 AM
Its on cake so not sure how much info sn will give. We have played alot together however and this guy is ultra call happy. He LOVES to call me down. Playing oop to him can be annoying as he'll bluff raise my cbets etc etc. He is tricky but i thought this raise was unusual. Being this deep, him oop etc, and he paused checked when the turn hit (??). I bet small b/c i didn't wanna get it all in here, then he timed down c/raised me (??).
I didn't fold (turn) b/c i felt i shouldn't fold which is bs if you ask me.
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09-11-2009 , 12:06 AM
if he loves to call you down fold turn
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09-11-2009 , 03:08 AM
Option A grind 10 hours in that stupid donkament for 30th and $2700.

Option B Do 40 $200 flips (w some double-or nothings up to one 1600) w d2thmfi win $3400



Next time I'm just gonna do B
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