haha come to think of it i also did that in either my first or one of my first sessions. some mobbed up underground 5/5 game.

If closing the action versus an AI I only have two options, call or fold(I can't raise when I cover????)

Still not entirely sure of what you are asking here. I am only making plays based on EV. I did not go with QQxx to gamble, I went because I knew I was quite ahead of the 500bb AI. Folding did not even enter my mind and at the time I am not sure flatting did either. I think maybe now flat>shove>fold but I don't know . see below

yes, I overshoved 1550 into a 100bb AI and a 500BB AI and ran into the nizzles

I'm still debating. When my overshove folds out upwards of 60% of KK combos to the stack that covers (this is hard to predict) and he factually tanked for over a minute with AAQJ rainbow, he wasn't slow-rolling, yes in this dynamic a shove seems certainly best.

That play is so absurd I am unsure of what to think.

Oh, and stop debating.

If this was Texas hand, would you make same play with K8o?

Anyone has any clue where Yaaarny is or what he is up to?
I stake him but havent heard anything in over 2 months from him.
He disappeared after I offered him a better deal lol which makes me worry a bit less, but still slightly worried...

edit: he still has my money obv

And blanks me when you all selling out! man links for sure link get out the room uckers only 7 million with graphs man see a 44 coming man see a pay check man don't take check slaves don't roll... food **** boys! Truth will come out fire some lead! hash tag dead up.DICK HEADS ***** BOYS CANT GO HAM.

Location: Getting Drunk

confirmed

I'll have what he's having.

Really one of my favorite !


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HH+gifs = epic.

Man how tilted would that other guy be losing to the 8 kicker

Standard win you had him dominated

Yet another instance last night of splitting pot wrong in run twice scenario. Amazing how often it happens with hardened PLO veterans and good dealers. Something about it just creates the errors.

Black aces against red aces stacking off for about 750 each, pre. Another dude in for about 180. Flop is Q-Q-J and the black aces guy next to me has a Q. But he gets swept by red aces making straights on both boards. Bottom straight got overlooked and dealter split pot. AFTER ALL MUCKED guy next to red aces said you had straight on bottom board. Dealer recreated board, something like they do at blackjack, and it was pretty obvious pot was split wrong. They went to tape, making two involved players sit out. (I left. This went on for an hour one night a while back, same situation, and they made the wrong winner refund chips to proper winner. What if he no longer had chips?????? Jeez.)

Meanwhile all-in 180 guy shows a flush on bottom but doesn't table it and mucks it hard at dealer.

Earlier a straight on one board was overlooked by whole table.

It's inherent, I say. It creates one thousand times the mistakes of awarding the pot to the wrong player, running multiple times does.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

illest **** she ever wrote, that uber wrap hand wow

musings from last night: it's the crazy game. Arguably, and probably, unarguably, the 4 most fearless, loosest, richest, and dumbest players playing shorthanded, some kind of that combination.

the original raiser, who just had the mtt score of his life and will be his biggest for life(surely, you will see why ), opens to 50bb into 4 people, player immediately behind shoves I believe 1100bb, yes I said 1100bb in NLO, folds to the OR, who tanks forever. man, tough decision here. Now, the jammer is loose and can overvalue some hands(i may eat my words here ) but he just open ripped 1100bb into 4 guys, two or three who cover. I am only ranging him on AAxx and probably a strong AAxx combo, 100% of the time, literally. OR tanks and tanks, makes the following comments "well, I can't get even from last week by folding," "someone give me the speech,"(meaning talk him into a call, so I gave him the speech ), and "I would love to see what you would do here,"(directed at me the pro(which is almost insulting after seeing the hand)). I'm thinking OR has to have strong KKQJ combo here at the minimum(which obv plays terrible vs AA combos but he don't know or care, I believe) and even more likely AAxx on the weaker side and thinking about surrendering his equity to better AAxx combos. No, he finally calls getting right at 1 to 1 with QQ46 SSCC, nice call . the shover's strong AA combo holds. The caller is the same guy who folded KK on K 10 7 xx board for probably some pot sized bets or whatever(uber small pot compared to the one just said) because he knew it was probably, likely, a three-way race versus some wraps + fd's or whatever(went three ways).

So, it's now been called, the last hand of the night. Holdem round had just ended and the last hand will be Omaha. Usually, this means a huge straddle at the bare minimum, but weirdly, it stayed tame(because the straddler is the best straddler around, best I ever saw bare none). I think it was a 5bb straddle(think I am going to recall this correctly after thinking about it). I was sb and bet a pretty standard pot bet to 18bb(actually smaller than PSB because I think utg after the straddle limped), I think this is easily warranted in my game, given my skillset versus, their fundamentals and the huge ranges they play(i can cooler someone here and my hand going in is likely the 2nd best hand here in terms of raw equity,often(maybe I'm off in thinking this, this **** has to run so thin anyway)). One flat and a 3bet to 70bb, that gets two calls bringing me in easily with AT(dd)J3I think it goes 5 ways to the flop, and the caller behind me comes along(to my OR). 5 ways to the flop(~350 bbs) of T 7 2 rainbows. checks to 3 bettor who bets 100bb into 350bb which seemed KKQJ types to me, given his 3bet, QQja type range, given his tendencies and his 3bet, that's where I'm bulking his range( T j 8 A(anything in that area)). It gets one call in front of me(I'm still 1st position) and although I don't love the board, the PO are tremendous and I have top/top(think Jamie Gold), I have to come along, also backdoors but no for sure cleanouts on the turn, i flat, as does 2nd position. I'm getting some reads and seeing if I can pull anything physical or even a little insight to where they are at in their ranges.

Jack on the turn making a FD but not mine. J T 7 2 hh, I check, 2ndP checks, OR bets 228bb into 750bb, one fold, back to me with OR and one other behind. Here I check for something on the checker(physically), I don't think he is nutted. For one and most importantly, the pot is huge on the turn and four ways, if he has 89 he is leading the turn and likely shoving I have to think at almost 100% frequency. Although a check to induce could be most EV(I'm not saying it is), with the FD coming and now another broadway card, he is never allowing the opportunity for it to get checked through(there were two guys behind him yet, three counting me after I checked). That player probably had somewhere around 1.5x - 2x psb at the time, again I think he is shoving. So now it is down to the bettor, where is he at? He 3 bet pre but not that huge, it felt middling, like something he didn't want to bloat( 70bb pre, thats not a bloat at all, that's "finding out where you are at" in our game ) the pot with. With that said I am thinking, as mentioned, qqj7(ssdd), jkt8 (dd, hh), definitely could have some 897t ss combos( somewhere in that range (10 - 35% range type hands), is where I thought. come turn though I weighted it more to QQkx combos, jjxx, kkjx, those type hands but looking back i have to think maybe that's a bit wishful. he's bet twice, maybe his betting range is now stronger than that.

But really what I was thinking was this: he bet v small on the flop, and now bets pretty small again, these are blocker bets(when he has it, it gets mashed or ripped very frequently, this is the guy who shoved 1100bb into 50bb with AAxx double suited(hell of a move to induce though right )). 89 combos should not be very frequent either because he was the three bettor and with the sizing, that is not what he was telling me. one fold, to me, it is now three handed, me, the checker, and the bettor. I have top two and i did my assessments. I rip it, both players cover or nearly cover(the bettor for sure covers). I rip 1600bb into just under 1k bb's with two behind. quick fold from the first, just as I thought. back to the OR who looks a bit depleted(perhaps wrong word choice), shaking his head "no."

he starts turning his cards over one by one, great sign. Maybe he is mucking them and I will scoop this beast without SD, an event that I thought would happen with fair probability. I think at least 1 in 3 to 1 in 4 in this game, hard to say, the bettor is stickier than gorilla glue, but I did my assessments, I like a shove here.

He shows black 10s and a 7 I think, and then another small one, don't remember, maybe he didn't show that one but it was pretty irrelevant(FML he 3 bet with 10 10 7 x DS(maybe) I think it may have been three spades in his hand, wow(but it's about where I had him but then that baby flop bet 5 ways, ahhhh). He tanks, and tanks, and counts, and counts some more, spills the chips after stacking them, gets them back in order, "you guys know how I play." Brick!(would been the best jack of my life(pun intended))

FML, gg me, watched 2500bb go bye-bye in about 90 minutes time, it's not fun losing at the end of the night

Misread hands (both intentionally, sadly, and unintentionally) are super common in live PLO I've noticed. Maybe it's because I/we have played a million+ hands online and can auto-read boards but damn, a lot of people sure can't and miss stuff. Like, at a pretty ridiculous frequency actually. Even more ridiculous is when someone flashes a hand and then mucks when it would've been the winner (missed backdoored straights/flushes are the biggest culprit). I think the issue is people looking at their hands as "ok I'm going for the 2pair/something and when they backdoor something else they can't tell because 2pair/something wasn't that)

Then the guys who pull a "I have a flush" at showdown only for me to sigh and point out there is no flush possible on that board. Hold on to your ****ing holecards until they have shown their actual hand, that's for sure. Also people thinking they have straights when they don't. Ad nauseum

Stuff like that would hardly ever happen if everyone knew how to memorize their cards in an efficient manner.

Rainbow:
Rank high to low and then remember the suit ordering
52AK becomes AK52

Single suited:
Rank the suited cards together and then rank the unsuited card(s)
52AK becomes K2A5
52AK becomes K52A

Double suited:
Rank the highest rank first with its card of the same suit followed by the same for the other suit.
52AK becomes A5K2

You should never have to check your cards because you forgot them. Not that many people post these days, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if when people posted live hands on 2p2 they would write them the way I described above or as A5K2, boards should always be written as 98442 for the easiest legibility.

You really think

98442

is easier to read than

984 4 2

funnest hand from a few nights ago: QQ46 double suited, mtt score of his life man, shows up late, pretty white boy wasted. a tight kid in EP, when raising pre or aggression as a whole, shoves 50bb into about 6 or 7 guys. I don't love looking at AKT6 double suited here immediately behind the kid, he's very tight in this 50bb shove spot, but I know my call brings in all the dummies behind, so I opt for it, 3 calls behind, just as I figured, 250bb in the middle pre.

the flop comes 9 6 3 with two hearts, me nut flush draw and a pair of sixes with AKT6(hhss) so I also have backdoor K high FD. Could hit running 7,8, for a ten high straight, running Q,J as well for the nuts. i am first to act and there is a dry side pot, nothing, and the one allin for 50bb that someone will have to go to SD with, no matter what. I check, as does everybody to the button, he's whiteboy wasted and has just got done telling the whole table minutes before, that it is "4 card" and "there is no skill" . He shoves 540bb into what I thought was 250bb(for some reason I keep thinking it went 6 to the flop but I know when it came down to my decision below, there were only two players behind so we will stay at 250bb total pot(4 live players and one shorty who is AI)), but the 540bb he just shoved into was a dry side pot. I am facing a direct 540bb shove, which means I need 50% equity but I also have the side pot I can win. The original shover is tight, as stated, in which case my hand is pretty awesome. This board does not hit his AAxx or KKxx range much at all, and I also have the nut FD so he cant.

Now I start to range white boy wasted, a dry ****ing sidepot. Well, maybe 4 card is a skill game . I treated it as such and did some assessments. It felt like it was a bet that said "I would love to take this down right now or isolate because my hand is not that easily playable or nutted." In theory, this just seems like the worst bet ever. it is such a huge shove and it is going to SD with one guy no matter what, who we range, AAxx or KKxx. Which means he is probably going to have at least a FD with those combos in his hand, meaning he is going to have a flush draw on that board atleast a fair percentage of the time.

So, I start thinking to myself, about 1.5 to 1 is my total PO, I consider the 50bb AI player, but as stated, I fair seemingly very well versus his range or atleast near 50% equity. An A or K will likely trip him up x% of the time but it's going to be hard to trip up when I have an A and K as well. Versus AAxx and KKxx combos my hand has 60% equity, just checked. So the jam, how do I fair versus this jam?

I guess in poker, when playing, you immediately process a bet whether you kind of realize it or not. I would say every bit of the past goes into play in this processing of the bet. If a tight guy shoves I am going to be inclined to think he's nutted. If a loose guy shoves I know to widen his range and maybe pinpoint it better. How wide is it? is it merged? is it capped? I guess, what I am saying is that, in this moment I started looking at things I beat more than what beat me. If it was tight grandpa shoving, I am thinking the opposite, more about what beats me or has me crushed. It all boils down to ranges but recalling to the best of my abilities, looking back, I was thinking this felt wrappish, big semi draw more than set + open ender or the like.

I also knew that if he was relying heavily on a low FD, or included many in his shoving range that my A high FD was going to be in much better shape opposed to him having 2 pair and open end or set + OE, or the like. I thought about the 1.5 to 1, 1.6 to 1 on my money and the fact that white boy wasted was whiteboy wasted and was ready to spew. I had to go here.

I bought some time. There were two players behind and I did not want to shove 2k bigs and get snapped from behind by one guy who covered. the other was much shorter. Both had checked and seemed disinterested, I overshoved. I don't even remember the exact runout, one had to be a queen and the other may have paired the board(think it did, pry the 9), it looked terrible.

I have two pair for 6699A, i believe, and villain has no choice but to play his 76 for a lower two pair. He shoved 7642 with heart flush draw, I had 74.6% equity versus him. The 50bb AI takes the main pot, which was obv much smaller than the side pot

Super cooler my way tonight. Flopped a nut low with nut flush draw, lots of action and an obvious three aces out (A-3-6 flop), and also turns out to be a 2nd nut low and a little wrap. I've got A-2-4-J-J. Turn is J. River is J. It decimated the table. Way to go, hero. LOL. It felt good.

Wondering if there is a stat on ~ what percent of top sets win in PLO. Tonight was 0-for-5 in huge pots until the last hand of the night, which I slow played it and got heads up against second set one-out. Also got kings full and queens full beat not flopping top set. And won big. Not a boring game like hold'em.

As we are all apt to do, I misread one myself the other night, pretty big pot. Flop was A-3-10 off and I just know I have 2-4-5-6. Turn is 4 and I bet pot, don't look back. Get called. River is another 4 and I say "wheel" and turn up 2-3-4-6. When I realized I had no 5, no wheel, I say SHYT ... had no idea I made winning full house beating aces and 10s. Outrageous.

If you do want to raise, than you should have something like a kicker 8 to go along with.

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oes this play disqualify me from further posting on PLO:

My hand 2-4-K-Q no suits (unless 2-4 spades is a suit). Basically playing any 4 temporarily. In for 5, 25, 100, 230, then all-in pre 485. Six ways. They kept raising.

Flop: 4-4-J. Turn 10. Double river K-Q.

I sweep both flops on both my pots. Meaning no one had tens, jacks, queens, or kings. My first time playing with these guys. Funny reactions even from the next table ... "Come play over here." Funny.

Then Im stacked pretty good so I play monster hands only and they ALL lose, kings full, queens full, 5 top sets .... 0-for.

I catch myself and rally end up winning a dime. C'est la Omaha. I pat myself on the back and sleep like a baby.

yep it disqualifies you. please stop now thx

2-5 Hi-low PLO. 3-handed pot. Flop 4-6-K with a flush draw, low draw, straight draw. None of it comes, no flush, no low, no straight. Runs out 4-6-K-Q-6. I'm UTG I check river, this after check around on turn. Dude in middle bets 250 on river with total rock on other side of him. Rock folds. I call it with A-2-5-Q. Winner. It was perfect steal spot for the bettor. I already showed weakness, rock is 5% to call. He fires and gets picked off. I saw his move. No I don't call with A-Q on that board on account of my hand. Way to go, hero. It helps when your double nut draws aren't coming. Is that OKBigAisa ... or no??