I am sponsoring a pro team for the minors guy had your SN..I Guess he more Hungary than you wit that fat boat race! you had your fill fo sure fat boy.

A question for live PLO pros: What is the longest downswing you've had, in number of hours? I've been a pro for about 14 years, with PLO being my main game for about 5, and I'm wondering if my current downswing is in line with what others have experienced.

I've played about 700 hours so far this year, mostly at 2-5-10 and 5-10-20, and I'm down a lot on the year. I've never been an elite player, but have always made a solid living. I'm starting to lose my sanity, question whether I was just lucky before, whether the game has passed me by, etc. I feel like I've been playing as well as ever this year. No marathon sessions, no major tilt, etc. I'm probably one of the tighter PLO regs, so I'm not normally all that swingy by plo standards. I've never had a downswing that lasted 6 months before, and I'm currently experiencing something every poker player probably experiences, which is that it's not possible that anyone could run this bad, and that I have to be the unluckiest guy in the world.

So, what the longest number of hours you've been on a downswing in live plo?

700 hours is what 14,000 hands. That's really nothing which makes running poorly live hurt that much worse.

If everyone knows you are that tight, perhaps they have stopped giving you action with speculative hands.

Currently on a 10 year downswing

If you haven't had a year long breakeven stretch in live PLO you either haven't played long enough or were running like god in idiot filled games (mbn!)

As someone having a really rough year as a live PLO pro, it's very refreshing to skim to the past 50 or so posts in this thread.

A$ have you considered constructing a shrine to the PLO gods?

Haha didn't expect to see you show up here. Blast from the past. I'm going to Super Smash Con in August btw, dunno if you're going (or even active in the scene - I hardly am).

And of course I perform my PLO rituals nightly.

Nah just the occasional local night for me. Too busy playing PLO

man, I have access to some really good PLO games. It is NLO and it plays deep. at one point last night I had over 1700 BB's in front of me. I was winning the most at the time but it is not uncommon for a lot of the players on the table to have over 500-1000 bbs in their stack, especially as the night goes on and ppl reload.

I need to brush up though and start playing this game better. In this game you can bet 100bb preflop, I mean literally into the blinds alone and can get cold called by hands like KQ9 6 (sssx). One hand last night, the tightest guy at the table went over the top of a raise AI, it would have been for about 350bb, he was snap called by the hand I mentioned above. It is a sheer gamble. I often times am just bloating pots preflop with good holdings knowing I can get ppl to come behind light.

Overall, I am doing well in the game but hit a recent rough patch. I need to work on my post-flop(maybe even pre). Opponents often have such wide ranges that bluffing them can be profitable(because they are often so wide/marginal that it's hard to call), however, the game clearly, as mentioned, plays very sticky. It's true degens, most of which, I simply don't understand how they keep showing up but they do

one hand from last night and I wish I could remember the details. I bloated it huge pre, I remember that. Per usual there was at least a call, I know there was someone AI after my PF bet but there was a little side action. I raised KKQJ double suited and got to the flop of A J 3 rainbow(think one BDFD). I decided to throw a fairly small bet out, OOP. I'm thinking I had around 2x SPR on the flop versus the live player(i wish I could tell you how much was in the side pot/main but i kind of forget, I simply remember having about 2 SPR vs him). I was repping something pretty good on a dry board. However, I get called on the flop(because I bet quite small) by A 10 8 9(maybe one bdfd). anyway, ace on the turn forced me to correctly shutdown because that sticky player was going nowhere. He even checked down his trips but clearly stated he was going nowhere on a turn bet. Looking back though, if I just plow this flop, I probably win no matter what(he would have folded). long story short, my KK would have been good vs the AI player, think the river may have paired the board again.

Where should I focus my efforts on improving? what software/tools are the best? Again, this game plays like a 1/2 degen, gamble away. Big straddles can be prevalent. GTO is probably the last way to play it. Is pokerjuice a must?

Like one other example last night. I think I made a flush on the river, it was a wet board. I made basically what was an obvious decent showdown type hand but also strong enough for a value bet type bet (especially because I was able to size way down vs a fish(exploit)). he called the river with one pair, saying that I made it cheap enough(like 10%-15% of the pot but tbh don't remember the exact details). I have to start optimizing my play in this game! And to note, because I was curious and had to look, I am earning 43bb/hour through 283 hours in this game. That is after a recent, pretty bad downswing over the last 14 hours. My sample size is not huge but there is no doubt I am the best player in this game but I am ready to start playing perfectly. My NLO game needs improvement.

If your game is NLO, I'd definitely invest in some buddhist beads, regular visits to your church and drop the allahu akbar before shoving all in pre

you played the kkqj hand fine, sounds like you're just a little down on your confidence due to lady variance

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thanks guys. I do have to be in more emotional control as well. I made two sticky tilt plays toward the end of the night to make things worse than they should have been(yes, i had 1700 bbs at one point midnight and ended up losing). Tighest guy mashing a flop when he never does without the stones, him JJxx(two tone, me no blockers to the paired suit) on j54, me 55a3(think i was straddle or BB), ugh. Wasnt a huuge pot but when he bet i literally thought JJ and i still flat what was a PSB, ehjdsfas df s a

then another sticky call on a paired river, 3 way pot, i flopped second nut flush. was literally pry getting 6 or 7 to 1 but when villain lead AI on river after flatting two streets of big aggression, I'm beat, literally never a bluff, villain shows the stones adfs as dads gg adf adfs adfsggf

Hitting Fanny's hope you got receipts leave you on on a respirator style.. green with envy...
Bastards can never even come close.

Bank rolls I collect!

mmmm hmmm

another snapshot of the happenings last night: I was in for 1000 bb's. took awhile, things weren't looking good but then scooped some pots + two big ones. Up to 1550 to 1600 bb's now as the night is winding down. The loosest guy at the table, and seemingly a guy with a bunch of money(because he just doesn't care, he has lost a bunch in the game and just matches his losses time and time again) has went from a 1500 bb stack as well, maybe more, to now being in the hole quite a bit. He is reloading 250 bb's and ripping them in. The 2nd last hand of the night(announced by the dealer), the CO shoves his 500bb, who knows if he even looked and if he did, he could still easily have 70% of hands at this point(he's straight gambling in a half-drunken stupor). I'm on the button and pick up a weak QQ, don't even remember my other two but I think I had no flush draws and not too connected, something like 26, 52, 37, something low, don't remember. The blinds are sitting on stacks of 400bb and one that covers me, so over 1550bb. I iso shove to isolate the whale with my Q's, I must maximize my equity. BB who covers is staring at his 4 cards, in hand, about 7 inches from his face, right about where they were when I shoved(missed my read(I took this more as "let's figure out what I got" ), when I saw this I shoved lmao). He thinks for about 50 - 70 seconds and says "well do I win the entire tournament or lose it(it's really a cash game though)," and proceeded to show his cards to another player who had folded, sitting beside him. Not long after he tables his AAQJ(rainbow I think), I get a "FML" thought in my head and he announces the call, GG me.

Iso is def very profitable here from me but wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts. 1550 bb deep is sick to think about but on a good note, I think the BB at least folds some weak KK combos and even some middling ones but I don't think he's ever folding any combo of AA. The SB who is at 400bb would be in a similar camp to the former, would definitely, maybe fold some weak KK combos because I had watched him fold KK 10 7 double suited to the crazy maniac 90 minutes before that. He was probably facing a huge overbet pre but with the given dynamic, his range was miles ahead, it was against the spazz player. I am probably only re-potting at this point as far as sizing. Versus the maniac QQxx is definitely profitable as a repot and flatting never crossed my mind. I still like my play, bad timing

Seems pretty bad play tbh.You have less than 52% against 70% range,and you are not even closing the action cause there are players super deep behind.Can not see how is this very profitable.Btw folding KKT7 ds by BB to crazy maniac before is also super bad play.

damn, with the strong pair I figured I was pretty good shape versus maniac, guess I overvalued this big time. My Omaha equity knowledge is not that great, something I have not studied much of

Do you guys see this stuff in your private games LMAO?

Even if you are closing action IP flat is probably better. ****ty QQxx is 59% against random hand.

If you had 5 hours left in your session instead of 5 minutes, would you still have made that play?

If no, then reevaluate.
If yes, then your table Dynamics are ***** nuts.

not sure what u are asking. Sure, his opening shove range changed drastically from 5 hours ago. So, now, had it been 5 hours prior, no, I would not have called because he was playing way tighter. He was clearly tilted by the time of the original hand though. I was a bit pissed and didn't even see what he showed down because at that point I was only concerned with beating the overcaller. But, I'm quite certain the spaz, original shover had 987x(I did see lol, my memory is foggy here though). He was tilted, in long hair don't care mode, and as I said, he obv has a lot of money. He throws out the biggest straddles and is unphased by losing. This is why I overshoved with the QQxx

anyway. lesson learned here is that I have to remember it's a four card game. QQ37 is quite a bit worse than QQK8

So, if I flat pre and the BB jams, then what? I should have originally noted that there was an EP AI of 100bb(end of the night, tilted a bit as well(think he was down the most), this guy's range was expanded a lot too and it's only 100bb. He could have easily had small wraps, 6654 type hands, etc) So, there were roughly 1200bb out there total, if BB jams my flat I have to call 1050 more bb's lol. at that point, I fold because I know he has AAxx? he's a player that would basically have to have AA to jam here. Probably fold, because so much of the chips would go into the pot only between me and him where QQ37 is a 27% dog to AAxx. Then, to win the other pot I have to beat two guys total(disregarding the 100bb shove here). In short pot odds would not warrant a call

I can say that the BB would have a flatting range. If he looked down at 5678, I think he flats. 9 10 j q, he is for sure flatting. akqj pry still flatting but he may start over jamming that caliber of hand. So, jamming has to at least be considered for those reasons, we can fold out some hands that have a ton of equity vs us.

59% against random hand sounds great but even spewy nuts whales have some form of hand selection.

hes asking if mid session you'd still take a wild ev gamble spot, even if hes still as splashy, instead of justifying it by saying its the very end of the game

so you stacked off for 1500 big blinds with ****ty queens?

Absolutely played those QQ to perfection

I remember my first ever PLO session. Stacked off for $400 preflop in a 1/2 game with QQxx. Makes me laugh thinking about how big of a PLO donk I was back then.

Edit: inb4 still a PLO donk