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04-30-2018 , 03:27 PM
I was playing 5/10 plo and I have AsAd9c6c open to 35 button makes it 105 with 7cqc8h9h and I call(am I supposed to raise here?) The guy is aggro player. Flop comes 8d2d2c I elect to check he bets 2/3 pot I call with the plan to raise the turn. Turn 8s(didnt have a good feeling about this card so I check called again). River 8c I check he bets almost pot I tank call. What could I have done differently?
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04-30-2018 , 03:30 PM
I forgot to mention stack sizes...we both have about 3k.
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04-30-2018 , 03:52 PM
X-ray vision? Go for the 4! PF with weaker AA hands. You’re in better shape to flat when you have a double suited AAKQ type of hand. Also, don’t get married to any AA hands or any hands for that matter - especially on the double paired board. What did you put him on when you made the call? Fine he aggressive... but is he barreling for pot here with worse than trips? You asked what to do differently... raise the flop, bet the turn, fold when jammed on.
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04-30-2018 , 03:53 PM
Did you at least win bad beat jackpot
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04-30-2018 , 04:00 PM
First thing I thought about after losing the hand is I should have 4 bet pre. His range is wide here because he was there betting a lot with weak holdings as was almost everyone else on the table. I just didn't think the hand out well live and shoulda told myself what else is he betting here with on the turn. If that river 8 didn't come I think it would've made my fold easier but that river 8 gave me 2nd nuts(I dont know if that type of thinking is right) But shoulda bet turn and folded like you said when raised. What about potting his flop bet?

And no I didn't win the bad beat jackpot the club doesn't have one.
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04-30-2018 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JobRunsBetter
X-ray vision? Go for the 4! PF with weaker AA hands. You’re in better shape to flat when you have a double suited AAKQ type of hand. Also, don’t get married to any AA hands or any hands for that matter - especially on the double paired board. What did you put him on when you made the call? Fine he aggressive... but is he barreling for pot here with worse than trips? You asked what to do differently... raise the flop, bet the turn, fold when jammed on.
He's 300 blinds deep
This advice is totally backwards
If your 4 betting range is basically aces 300 blinds deep then you want to 4 bet the good ones that play well postflop and when you smash the flop give your opponents and good hand with terrible equity.

Betting the turn is terrible
It accomplishes nothing
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05-02-2018 , 01:53 AM
Posted this on the wrong one of his threads yest. Interested in ur thoughts Borg
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Originally Posted by JobRunsBetter
Wrt to the quality of aces and 4! — IMO playing double suited aces for a flat pf when your opponent 3! - you’ve got a good chance of totally dominating villains 3! Range with a hand like AdKcAcQd vs what we have here. In this spot, I’m gonna hope he’s 3! Kings or Queens and look to GII pre while I still have more equity. I’m kind of ok w turning the hand face up with a 4! Or 5! So I get a certain % pf folds from V.

Last edited by JobRunsBetter; 05-02-2018 at 01:54 AM. Reason: Borg. Not Greg
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05-02-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
He's 300 blinds deep
This advice is totally backwards
If your 4 betting range is basically aces 300 blinds deep then you want to 4 bet the good ones that play well postflop and when you smash the flop give your opponents and good hand with terrible


+1

Also, don't raise any card on the turn, and absent a strong read of villain having the nuts, call river
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05-03-2018 , 11:02 AM
It's not like he's folding if you 4!
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05-03-2018 , 03:12 PM
The argument of 'he wouldn't have folded anyway if you 4 bet' is awful to have to look at. It's results oriented and results are not what we're looking for. We're in search of correct decisions that yield the most positive equity. Personally, I 4 bet here every day of the week. What if he decides to stick it in? How happy are we? Maybe he'll fold, also fine too. Worst case scenario we have AA96 ss against one opponent out of position. I'm ok with that.

The 8 on the river did not give you the second nuts.

As you played it to the flop I am a big fan of c/r as you have the nut flush blocker and are obviously almost always ahead. If you call here since you're OOP you only get action the rest of the hand generally when you're losing and it gets checked down the rest of the time. The only time you can get your money in good is now.

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05-03-2018 , 05:07 PM
Obviously that’s result oriented to just say oh we would have lost, but it’s useful to acknowledge that villain rarely misplays against a 4bet and you’ll generally have tough spots with bad aces 300bbs deep.

Like the only hand we’re wonderful against is it he had kings or AKK.

4 spr is around the breakpoint here. If we’re a bit shorter it’s a slam dunk.
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