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09-30-2014 , 06:03 PM
Id fold. I doubt he takes this line ever as a bluff and as the hand played it's more likely he has a str8 fl than quad 2's.
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09-30-2014 , 06:07 PM
putting 6 bets into a small pot at the river of a pot limit game with the second nuts is generally not a good idea.
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09-30-2014 , 07:05 PM
I was thinking his river sizing to 2k was weird at first but now i think it's really cool. If he pots you're just gonna say call after a think but it's really hard to not reraise that bet in game when you have one of the really big hands and it lets him play for stacks and puts you in a situation where you're going to find it so hard not to stack off.

Plus cts does make a good point, spr on river is 18. I can't think of ever seeing someone putting in 2nd nuts on river with that much behind and being good. Basically has to be an insane bluff and even if he is capable of repping it doubt it's anywhere close to the frequency of the odds we're being presented with.
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09-30-2014 , 09:32 PM
just before you call all in, say "we goin to sizzler "
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10-01-2014 , 05:41 AM
I'd rather not say names.

However I think he just owned me with the 2k sizing, I was planning to just call any 5bets instead of putting in the 6bet but it just seemed so thin that I convinced myself that I could get value OTR since he doesn't think I flat AA pre... but then again I didn't factor in all the possibilities that there are only 2 combos he considers putting more money in with and one of them beats me.

Anyways, I'll give you guys the results here -

So I tanked for like 5 minutes, regretting 5betting there and then finally decided with the BB i'm getting like 9:1 so I'm hoping he's bluffing with some blockers maybe 2-3% of the time and overplays his 22 10% of the time and I break evenish there..

So he was quite frustrated, and said "f**k I thought you were capable of laying it down!"

And he tables 2246 with the 4

I was quite mind boggled by the fact he put me on exactly AA and thought I'd lay it down? I mean if he's that good, shouldn't he have assumed I'd have AA with the other blocker to 5bet?
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10-01-2014 , 09:24 AM
So he decided to bluff-jam quads with a sf blocker? Seem too ridiculous to be true
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10-01-2014 , 09:30 AM
Confirmed beast
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10-01-2014 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
So he decided to bluff-jam quads with a sf blocker? Seem too ridiculous to be true
That seems too ******ed.
He knows he isn't getting more value execpt from AA and he wants OP to actually fold that only hand that seems ridiculous to lay down at these pot odds?
Damn. looking back the only way he shows you the nutstr8flush is with 2234...
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10-01-2014 , 01:32 PM
Yeah I thought about the hand later and realized a lot of his quad combos make straight flush.

Idk if he actually meant it... Because I tabled my hand before him but if he actually was bluffing there idk what happened
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10-01-2014 , 02:30 PM
Very obvious he must have had 22 and a blocker with that turn play
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10-01-2014 , 04:52 PM
this is the worst 3 page hand ever.

ban all strat threads of quads vs quads or quads vs SF or low SF vs High SF on up and down board

no one on this board has been fortunate enough to not lose with quads at least once. just dont play 500bb deep if EVER have to consider that you are being outplayed/trapped with quads, lol
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10-01-2014 , 07:35 PM
Reminds me of my friend who, in our hold'em days 7 years ago, told me about a hand where he bet two streets with KQ on Q628, got raised on the turn, shoved it in, explaining "I know he's got AQ, but I'm trying to rep a set."
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10-01-2014 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CZI
Reminds me of my friend who, in our hold'em days 7 years ago, told me about a hand where he bet two streets with KQ on Q628, got raised on the turn, shoved it in, explaining "I know he's got AQ, but I'm trying to rep a set."
We need to know how this story ends
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10-01-2014 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ZombiePro
Very obvious he must have had 22 and a blocker with that turn play
+1


I hope I get to try to turn quads into a bluff one day

Maybe I have been underrating flopping quads with the backdoor straight flush blocker draw
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10-01-2014 , 09:09 PM
Yeah I'm still kind of baffled if he actually did turn it into a bluff, or just realized he way overplayed in hand there...not sure but he sure put me in a tough spot
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10-01-2014 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
+1


I hope I get to try to turn quads into a bluff one day

Maybe I have been underrating flopping quads with the backdoor straight flush blocker draw
well they were bottom quads....so yeah, tough spot
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10-02-2014 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by boobsicles
Yeah I'm still kind of baffled if he actually did turn it into a bluff, or just realized he way overplayed in hand there...not sure but he sure put me in a tough spot
i think he raised for value with quads then realised he was beat when you 5 bet, and went for the insane str8FDblockerbluff - he must think you're good enough or he's just bonkers and had to many shots of tequila
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10-02-2014 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by IhateJJ
Is he capable of running the 'ole naked 3h bluff, knowing your capable of laying down quads?
So I guess the answer is "yes" to the first part, and "no" to the second part.
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10-02-2014 , 07:53 PM
i wouldnt have 4bet the river and im also having a hard time believing the rest of the action is real
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10-02-2014 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by boobsicles
I'd rather not say names.

However I think he just owned me with the 2k sizing, I was planning to just call any 5bets instead of putting in the 6bet but it just seemed so thin that I convinced myself that I could get value OTR since he doesn't think I flat AA pre... but then again I didn't factor in all the possibilities that there are only 2 combos he considers putting more money in with and one of them beats me.

Anyways, I'll give you guys the results here -

So I tanked for like 5 minutes, regretting 5betting there and then finally decided with the BB i'm getting like 9:1 so I'm hoping he's bluffing with some blockers maybe 2-3% of the time and overplays his 22 10% of the time and I break evenish there..

So he was quite frustrated, and said "f**k I thought you were capable of laying it down!"

And he tables 2246 with the 4

I was quite mind boggled by the fact he put me on exactly AA and thought I'd lay it down? I mean if he's that good, shouldn't he have assumed I'd have AA with the other blocker to 5bet?
did he say **** i thought you were capable of laying it down right after you called/before you showed your hand? or only after you revealed your hand
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10-02-2014 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
i wouldnt have 4bet the river and im also having a hard time believing the rest of the action is real
This
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10-03-2014 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by billburr
did he say **** i thought you were capable of laying it down right after you called/before you showed your hand? or only after you revealed your hand
oh no, he tabled his hand feeling somewhat comfortable then I showed AA and then he made the comment...I don't think he was serious, I was just mentioning what he said as part of the results I promised in the OP...I think he felt 22 were good enough to value jam when he holds the str8flush blocker, I guess he thinks I dont have any AA in my flatting range pre? idk, just a really weird hand
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10-03-2014 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
i wouldnt have 4bet the river and im also having a hard time believing the rest of the action is real
Not sure what you're trying to say, I mentioned in a post where I realize 4betting is usually bad and I felt owned when he jammed after because when he raised to ~2k I just felt flatting was missing too much value there, I guess he did that so I'd raise some A5 for value and then feel committed to the hand to fold to his shove?

Also the second part, I'm sorry about what you think, but I don't have time to write a huge report and make up a hand for no reason. I often post a fair share of hands on HSMTT and its upto you to believe whether its real or not, it doesn't matter to me - I was here for some opinions and I already got that. But I'd appreciate it if you don't start accusing me for some NVG in HSPLO because I had a boring day.
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10-04-2014 , 09:37 AM
Why did you 4 bet him?
You say you didn't think 22 was relatively likely and he'd just call the two-bet with 55. So, by your own logic, his 3 bet is a bluff or 3h4h. Where was the value in raising?
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10-04-2014 , 10:01 PM
Should villain be just bet/calling river or 3b/f? Jamming seems awful
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