1/2/5/10 PLOE - Effective stacks $1500.

Villian - awful older guy player whom luckboxed $200-->$3k in about two hours. Played every pot with complete garbage and won six big pots in a row.

Villian raises MP to $25.
Hero (AsKc5s8c) raises to $90 on the button. Double suited AK with a decent low draw, trying to isolate the fish.
BB calls $90.
Villian calls $90.

Flop Ks 2s 9h

Smashed the flop, NFD, top pair+kicker, decent backdoor low draw.
BB checks, Villian checks, Hero bets $125. BB folds, Villian calls.

Turn Ks 2s 9h 7d Pot ~$520.

Villian checks.
Card shouldn't really change anything and we pick up equity on hitting a solid low. He had been pumping hands with two pair or better, I still feel I have a lock on the equity in this hand.
Hero bets $275.
Villian tanks a bit and calls. I'm thinking he has some sort of spade draw and maybe a couple low cards. Something like Qs345 would very much be in his ****ty range.

River Ks 2s 9h 7d 9s pot ~$1100.

Villian checks.
Nut flush comes through, low misses, board pairs.

No competent player has a boat here, right? ... playing so passively, zero bets, no raises, just three check/calls... How much value can we get in this spot?

I went with $500 but I feel like I should have sized lower to try to get a crying call from lower spades.





(BBV Result: This ******o snap calls with 7768 (????) and wins his 7th huge pot in a row. I was tilted so hard at this crappy player winning multiple monster pots off me in such stupid fashion (who the hell check/calls 3rd set on that board then checks again when he fills up????) that I had to leave the game.)

Turn bet is borderline, I agree with value-betting river as played

I wouldn't have bet this river vs this opponent. Before I read the result, I was thinking he had 22xx

turn and river bets are fine
is this game actually hi lo?

lol at leaving bc the table idiot keeps winning

Right?!?! Keep topping off till table idiot busto

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That comment was a little misleading. Normally I would stay. That's what I did when he took a massive pot off me prior to this hand. I bought back up with my remaining chips. He luckboxed/stacked 3 regs and took most of my last buy-in.

I wasn't going to stay with $400 left and no backup money. And I was tilting hard. At some point you just have to call it. It was also 2 AM. Lots of other factors went into leaving.

Yes I said it was PLOE in the post.

It was PLO/PLOE mix, round of each, 1/2/5/10.

if you're tired tilted and have almost no money on you then yes you should leave

but working on your mental game is far more important than how you played this specific hand (you played it fine btw)

you shouldn't tilt when a bad player keeps getting lucky- you should be happy to be in such a good game even if some of those hands were against you.
if bad players didnt get lucky good games wouldn't exist.

Definitely a leak in my mental game. I feel strongly I'm much more patient than anyone else at the table, and generally am very friendly towards poor players because of what you mention. I don't care about the occasional suckouts. But when some guy comes in and doesn't even know the rules (he did not know how a straddle worked -_-) and runs up $4k on the table and busts the game, it is tilting.

If it would have been 10PM that's a different story, but at 2AM the game was winding down and we didn't have time to win our money back. So that's what tilted me the most.

And we'd never seen this guy before... so probably won't get to play with him again anytime soon. I imagine Ivey would get tilted a little bit if some random idiot comes in and wins $200k off him one night then disappears.

the bolded isn't tilting -it's a dream table.
it can get frustrating losing to a guy like this but it's a printing press when guys like this have the chips.
the fact he's busting everyone is great. i love when some clueless player has half the table on tilt. they're all playing like **** and he's already terrible. what a great table.
i mean other than yourself losing why wouldn't you want him to bust the other players?

hopefully the guy is local, had a great time and comes back to play.
when some guy doubles on a hard 12 in blackjack and pulls a 9 the casino doesn't moan and *****. they get him a meal and a nice room.

you're also looking at it wrong


"but at 2AM the game was winding down and we didn't have time to win our money back"

who is we? **** everyone else at the table. let them tilt and get buried.that's great for you.and why would you want anyone other than yourself to get the money? it's a lot easier to win off of him than some reg.
ideally you take all of this guy's money before he leaves.even if you don't look at the ev of playing with him for a few more hours vs your ev of a normal table. it's a lot higher at this table than normal.that's what matters. and remember you arent entitled to someone else's money just bc your better than them in poker.you have to play with him and let nature take its course.

like i said i get leaving if you're tired and tilted-it's the right choice. just work on your mental game a little more.

i'm not saying i'm perfect with regards to tilt but i'm pretty close. at the end of the day good decisions make money in poker and bad ones lose money.if bad players never won they wouldn't play.anyone can well play well when running well. that means absolutely nothing.how well you play when running bad determines a lot.don't be a reg that plays bad in a game where your ev should be a few hundred dollars an hour.be the one who keeps his composure and wins the money.

and like i said don't feel bad about how you played the hand.
a guy like this isn't folding any flush ever and probably calls with worse.
he just happened to make a miracle boat.

Loose-passive players who only bet the nuts. Tight-passive players who only bet the nuts. Trappy players who think you are an idiot.

I would say even bad players would raise set on 2 flush board with no low draw,so would exclude he has set on the flop.I think you played standard on all streets, obviously problem was mental issue and not enough money to continue.BTW 6778 open is horrendously bad open from MP,i would go home

in this case,take more money and come back and play until that player is there.

It looks like villain answered your question on how to get value from flushes on paired boards.



Also, A5 is not what I would call a "solid low"

Bad players who are passive calling stations probably don't raise bottom set there. I know bad players who wouldn't raise middle set + nut flush draw on the flop.

It's the third-nut low draw on the turn. It is most certainly a solid low draw.

Everyone's an armchair coach with regards to when to stay and leave games.

I had already dropped $2500 and the table was breaking (that particular hand was 4-handed, and one of the four was racking chips to leave). The game was over for the night. It was phrased poorly in the original post. I couldn't just bring/get more money and continue, even if I wanted. The game was breaking. I was also tilted so it wasn't a bad time for it to break.

A lot of rec players choose to play underboats passively, ie check/call river. I don’t think there’s a lot of value missed by not betting a flush in this spot.


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the game was breaking is massively different than what was originally said.


it's not about being an armchair qb it's about trying to help.
the hand itself was played absolutely fine and even if a mistake was made that mistake pales in comparison to the importance of being mentally strong, not tilting, having the right mindset etc.

even if it was breaking you def need to work on your mental game.
that's not an insult by any stretch- most poker players massively underrate how important this is while stressing over extremely close negligible ev decisions.