I tried using the hand converter, but its struggling and giving internal server error, so forgive my formatting here please.

This hand is at 1.5/3 (.5) 9 handed plo. Its online but plays like a live homegame.

No read on either villain involved here, other than I know button is up about 3k this week and BB is down about 3k this week (so I don't know anything really).

Hero (1062) UTG open to 15 with AhQdJhJs
2 folds
LJ (2657) Calls
HJ (682) Calls
BTN (1223) Calls
1 fold
BB (1650) calls

Flop ($81 5 way) JcTc7h

BB checks
Hero checks
LJ checks
HJ checks
BTN bets 69
BB calls 69
Hero calls 69
2 folds

Turn ($288 3 way) JcTc7h6h

BB checks
Hero checks
BTN bets 288
BB calls 288
Hero (978 total, both villains cover)?

Everything looks good.

You flopped top set with the nut backdoor flush draw. Unfortunately the flop makes a straight possible, therefore caution against 4 opponents is wise.

If we disregard the HJ's stack size and call you the effective stack size, then the stack to pot ratio is about 13 and you have to take that kind of depth seriously. At SPR 13 a bare middle set would be risky, but you have top set with backup. And your backup is strong, for example, at SPR 13 a king high flush would be uncomfortable, but you flopped the backdoor nut flush draw that you turned nicely.

Check-call flop. Check-call turn.

If on river you make a full house, then bet whatever sizing you think someone will call. If you think someone will call 1/3 pot, but not 1/2 pot, then bet 1/3 pot. If you think someone will call a bigger bet, then bet bigger. But don't bet so big that an opponent with a straight folds. Bet small enough that he feels obligated to call. If you make a full house that also brings a flush, then you can bet a little bit bigger because someone with a flush might feel obligated to call.

If you make a flush the same rules apply, but you can probably bet a little bit bigger than you would with a full house since most people have a hard time folding a flush. Also some people stubbornly don't believe it when a backdoor flush come in. And if you make a flush that brings in more straights, especially the Broadway, then you can bet a little bigger as they might feel obligated to call.

You are right to feel a bit lost at SPR 13. It is full of it depends type judgement decisions. The second nuts like king high flushes or middle sets are a mess to play. Fortunately you have top set and nut flush draw. But fear 13 is 13 wise.

bet flop. ap cr flop

bet turn. ap cr turn

Check raise should get out someone with flush clubs draw I call assuming we are slightly behind vs a straight???

C/R flop is probably the best way to continue. We will get called by clubs, wraps, straights, lower sets, maybe 2 pairs. It also sets us up to jam good turns. Easy call it off on the flop with top set, nut gut shot, and back door hearts.

On turn Probably check folding club. Deciding on 8 or 9.

As played C/R turn is the play. We are ahead of flopped straights unless they have a AKQ in their hand.

I'm just calling the turn.

I like calling the turn as well. Seems like BTN will have a lot of 89 here when he could of checked back the turn for a free river, but decided to pot it 3 way.

Don't bet the turn into the guy (BTN) who is quite likely valuebetting the nuts into the BB (likely fish). Don't checkraise either. Check-fold the river without the nuts. Shove river with the nuts, and expect BTN to fold as he should. Only BB is a candidate to pay you off.

Multiway spots often become much easier to figure out when one villain appears to be a station and the competent-looking other villain is still betting.

Get it in on turn all day. Embrace the variance

Why, you're ahead by a few % points if they have a straight. Push the thin edge and having fold equity is great.

You're gonna have to check/fold the river if a Q 9 8 A or club come and they jam. You also won't like a 5 or 4 as other random straights get made.

Whoa slow your horses here. It depends. The opponents side cards that go with that straight could also have you down a few points. Either way you are either up a few points or down a few points. UNLESS he crushes you having the straight and two hearts in his hand and one or two of your fullhouse/quad cards. So that sounds like you are about even or occasionally waaaaay behind.

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The title of this thread includes the word "deep." I think I am the only one that mentioned stack depth or stack to pot ratio. I'm calling a friendly bullcrap on many of the people calling ride the variance roller coaster actually appreciating how insanely huge the bankroll requirements go up.

But the biggest point is if the villian is smart enough to only bet into multiple players with

the straight+ (blockers to someone making a flush or fullhouse/quads)

then you are raising deep while you are behind 45-55 or maybe as bad as 40-60. You are never up that much, but can be down that much. While deep.

If this is like any other plo home game i've been at, the odds of someone having the flopped straight is about 50%

This is a really interesting spot because the hero looks like he could be playing something like AKQx with a pair in his hand. I think his hand is underrepresented.

And I have no idea how to range the BB. He could be trying to deny equity with the nuts. Or he could think he's ahead with something like JTT9x. Or he could be betting his big draw with KQT9cc.

I think the Hero's line looks fine, since he's only going to be scared of 1 villain (whomever has the nuts or the strongest draw if no one has the nuts) so he may as well let the dead money keep donating with whatever 2nd-best, 1-outer hand they're playing.

Ladybruin is correct that we can easily be a dog in this hand, but if we can get 2 players to call a checkraise, it seems profitable.

If we think only 1 player will call a check-raise, then we should call turn.

Flop could go either way but check is ok
On turn I gii as btn can have plenty of worse hands for value and if it goes 3 way all in on turn this is a dream

Doubtful that we have an edge, even a thin one. No reason to just jam away unless you really love "riding the variance" as someone said. I don't like this as a spot to just blast away hoping to be statistically ahead.

Don't be afraid of having to actually play poker on the river and make decisions.

BTN likes his hand and isn't going away, BB is likely chasing and I feel like we're ahead of BB so I want to keep him in the hand in case he's chasing with a lower set or worse hearts. I'm not upset to have to fold river if we don't make our hand.

What is the BB calling with here? I don't believe he has a straight. If you are ahead, he could hit clubs so that's some value in raising to get him off that. But if you are behind one of BB and button already, then chasing out money is not helpful as you must improve or get both to fold (and no one is folding the straight here), so I would just check call.

So I like keeping him around and wouldn't checkraise. If it was heads up, I might consider blasting off on the flop. You are ahead of everything here, including the nuts. So having fold equity when he doesn't have the nuts is useful. Suppose he has KQA*, he still has 35% on you, and if he has Axc.

Are there any hands button has that you beat that you would prefer BB folds? BB has something like KQ9 would be a good candidate for what you want to fold, or if he has clubs. But that only matters if button has something like a worse set with a flush draw, where you can beat button but not bb if he improves.

But planning for the river is important here. If we are calling every river, we shove here and make sure they can't find when you hit the flush/boat. If we're willing to a lot of rivers, then we wait and see.

An interesting question is what do we do on the river here? Cards that change the nuts:

We have 7 hearts to hit for the nut flush, 1 jack, 3 tens, 3 7s, 3 6s (if you lose to quads, so be it), 2 kings, 2 9s for straights. That's 21 nut outs. I'm terribly worried I hit the nuts on the river and don't get paid, and that's half the damn deck to get you there. There's 2 outs where you improve to a straight but don't have the flush that hit, that might be good.

I want stacks in now, and any fold equity is gravy. Show me their hands as 89 and other guy with two clubs, and I'm still a massive favorite 3 ways. Is the Button going to fold if you pot it back and it gets stacks in? It's only 700 more and he just put 288 in. He's not folding. Just pot it. Get it in. Get paid when you hit. Let them fold equity when they have a club draw, and if the guy has 89, you aren't even drawing bad.

lady you are my fav plo poster

Muchas gracias. I think the best thing we all did was start playing the great game of pot limit omaha. It is such an interesting game.