Get it in with top 2 OTF (4 ways)
Join Date: Sep 2018
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Hero: YWG, 500€ just joined table this orbit
Villian: YWG, bought in for 1.5k
OTTH: early in the night (9 handed) 5/5
I look down at AdKc10h7c at utg +2, and make it 20. CO, BTN and SB call.
Flop: 10d7d2h (85)
SB checks I bet 85 CO folds BTN repots to 340. SB folds
Me...?
I am kinda new to PLO thought on all streets appreciated!
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Descriptors such as 'YWG' are useless. Better would be 'nit', 'maniac', 'beginner loose passive', 'GTO king', 'loose, goes for thin value, etc.
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Just joined the table this orbit never seen him before, no other reads at this point unfortionally
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MMMM like from a GTO point of view i guess its a fold. wish you were deeper so you could use the Ad mabye at some point.
giving the fact you hold the Ad- which reduce alot of combo's hell pot the flop with , I think youll most likely be behind most of the times
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In plo this is definitely a loose open ep, especially utg2 9 handed. This hand is a fine btn open and maybe co if blinds are over folding.
As played 4 handed I like cbetting smaller on this texture or checking. If you have an spr of like 2 potting is fine but at 6 way too deep imo. There's a few problems with betting large here: You have the nut flush blocker yes but nothing else. You block two sets which is great but have zero backdoor draws, and don't block straight draws. Too often on this texture you're going to be faced with an annoying spot on the turn. Example turn 8 of clubs and you're forced to check give up. Again big problem with sizing here in my opinion is your stack size.
When betting multiway in plo you want to be both polarized and focus on utilizing your nut and very strong blockers (in this case the Ad). By checking or betting like 35 you can better utilize the Ad blocker over multiple streets.
As played: Annoying thing about your hand is you block two sets. Most likely villain has huge combo - flush/wrap - With top two and not being able to utilize nut flush blocker + zero backdoor equity think it's a fold.
If you're serious about studying more on plo Jnandez provides solid ranges. Key to plo is always think of how you can best utilize each component in your hand. Hope this helps.
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Would be more helpful if you tell us how much SB's stack is. Does SB have $200 or $2K? Yes, it matters even though he folded. Just GII, so draw-heavy that you're probably flipping.
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This is a fold pre-flop from EP, especially with no reads. I can go either way on the flop. We could easily be ahead but against a huge draw. If I feel like gambling, I shove, if not, I fold.
From here, I fold.
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Why did you open this hand from UTG+2?
I probably check flop sometimes - betting is fine but if you bet this size you can't really fold as you only need 37% equity to break even on your jam and I think we have that here.
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How do you know that V 'bought in' for 1500? Is he new 'this orbit' also?
Although normally a 'bad' thought, I like slow playing this Flop with two Players behind. As others have indicated, this board is not really supposed to hit us. So I'm not sure if V puts us on AA/NFD or if they have such a good hand/draw they don't care.
I certainly don't mind a c/c. But I want to try to improve my equity on the Turn ... and yes, possibly use the Ad to my advantage. You can rep a set of A or K on Turn by donking out into whomever bets the Flop as well. They can't make a straight with an A or K so it's a safe play and if they continue with their draw you are ahead.
When you look at the pot Flop bet you have to consider ... "How can I improve?" You can only really go from 2-pair to a better 2-pair (A or K) and some of those fill a FD or are blocked by a FD. So your 'improvement' options are limited. An off-suit J or Q is helpful for a gutter, but that 'draw' is pretty thin as well.
IF you are ahead, are you really ready to try and fade no better than a flip for stacks? If so, then this thread isn't needed.
I just think that in a 4-way pot you have to deal with both flush and middle wrap type of holdings as well as the random set with this board. I try to get to the Turn when there is less drawing equity available to the others before betting out. GL