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05-23-2019 , 06:35 PM
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Live 2/5 with 10 rock on LJ

Hero with TT33dd in SB
CO opens to 40, me, EP and LJ call

Flop (170): 866hh
Checks around

Turn: 3o
I bet 80, EP raise to 270 with 500 behind
Hero?

EP is young black guy, loose rec player with 70-80% VPIP. Straightforward post from what I’ve seen. Is he ever raising A6 here or am I always drawing dead?
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05-23-2019 , 07:16 PM
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I feel like A6 bets the flop, and it sounds like he's not really a bluff raising candidate... looks more like 68 or 88 than anything else

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05-23-2019 , 08:12 PM
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snap fold against a black guy, gii vs hispanic or irishman
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05-24-2019 , 12:45 AM
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He may not be bluff raising in his mind with the A6 though. He checked to the raiser on the flop, now he may just be trying to protect his dry 6 from a straight or flush draw. I probably just fold without more info about him. Racial/nationality reads are an acceptable source of info btw ppg.
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05-24-2019 , 10:54 AM
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Call
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05-24-2019 , 02:20 PM
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Fold pre so you don't get into these situations
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05-25-2019 , 10:01 AM
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Don't see many random bluffs. Worst case you're dead, best case you're against some 6xxx hand and it's going to be tough to play against that OOP going into rivers.
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05-25-2019 , 10:04 AM
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Quote:
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snap fold against a black guy, gii vs hispanic or irishman
Depends if the hispanic is Puerto Rican or Mexican.
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05-27-2019 , 09:07 AM
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Don't see many random bluffs. Worst case you're dead, best case you're against some 6xxx hand and it's going to be tough to play against that OOP going into rivers.
That's fine though. We will have extraordinarily few combos of 33 from SB. Our bet/calling range is stupidly strong on this turn, and we want to have some combos that can call turn, fold river, but still win unimproved on the river when he gives up with 6x or a bluff.

If we're playing correctly from the SB, our range should be 90% 86 here (almost all 66, 88 and 33 are folded pre), so we have no worries at all about calling then giving up with some weaker combos because we have the stones so often.
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05-28-2019 , 08:47 PM
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Standard fold without history
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05-30-2019 , 08:53 AM
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That's fine though. We will have extraordinarily few combos of 33 from SB. Our bet/calling range is stupidly strong on this turn, and we want to have some combos that can call turn, fold river, but still win unimproved on the river when he gives up with 6x or a bluff.

If we're playing correctly from the SB, our range should be 90% 86 here (almost all 66, 88 and 33 are folded pre), so we have no worries at all about calling then giving up with some weaker combos because we have the stones so often.
Call turn for more than half our stack and fold river? I feel like a non-A river didn't change a whole lot.

I don't think we have to be 90% 86 here, but if we are, and V is raising us anyways, that doesn't make you reconsider having worse than 86?
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05-30-2019 , 10:46 PM
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Definitely fold this pre from the SB to a raise.
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