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Old 09-11-2020, 02:37 PM   #1
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folding the nut?

You are on the button. You flopped the nut (top set), SPR over 40, HU against an absolute maniac who bets whenever he connects with the flop.
Here is the hand:
Heroís hand on the button is JJ33 dbl suited, your stack is 1000 BB. All fold to you, you raise to 3.5 BB, small blind folds, villain the maniac raises to 11 BB, you call.
Flop J86 two tones (not yours), Villain bet 20 BB. His range is so large that your set remains the nut for only 5 of the 45 unknown turns (one jack, one 3 and three two). Obviously you canít fold the nut, even if it crossed my mind.
Will you just call to conceal your set? And then what will you do when the turn completes a possible straight or flush and he fires again?
Or, will you put your risk averse aside, and raise the maximum on the flop and be ready to raise again his automatic bet on almost 90% of turns?
I raised, and guess what? he raised me again and we went all in. His hand QQ97 with flush draw). Not so crazy play.
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Old 09-11-2020, 05:39 PM   #2
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Re: folding the nut?

I would raise the flop. Gotta give villain a chance to wig out. Better not to share results with your post btw, as they can unduly influence the commentary.
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Old 09-12-2020, 11:13 AM   #3
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Re: folding the nut?

Both options look great and you should mix. If we are calling flop it’s not to fold any turns
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Old 09-12-2020, 01:41 PM   #4
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Re: folding the nut?

Raise his bet and GII on the turn

Tough luck if the turn brings a flush but you got so much money in the pot that way already, that you can't afford to fold then.

Don't just call.
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Old 09-14-2020, 11:39 AM   #5
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Re: folding the nut?

You want to fold top set because villain is a maniac?

I would just call down all streets on any runout and raise if you boat or quad up. Raising versus a maniac is suboptimal I think if he keeps firing away indiscriminately. If you GII on the flop he is only likely to continue with high-equity range.
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Old 09-14-2020, 05:27 PM   #6
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Re: folding the nut?

there is no world where you should fold the nuts, not all non-nut turns are bad, i.e. a 6 or an 8 have you pretty comfortably ahead of a maniacs range where only 1 combo beats you, on A and K he won't have KK enough to be a huge fear etc. yes there are straight filling cards and he can't have every hand that makes a straight draw at the same time.

I don't mind flatting with this though and seeing turns with position, but ultimately you can get it in versus like bare 88 versus a maniac, or just like bare J8, or like a combo draw you are 2:1 versus.
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Old 09-16-2020, 10:23 PM   #7
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Re: folding the nut?

Why even play?
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