hi guys, just a theorethical question:
is there a time when it is correct to fold aces preflop?
example: u have really ****ty aces AA93 off, are in the small blind, table is deep (300bb), UTG pots, good player repots, folds to hero?
my default line is to setmine here unless i have been super aggro and cold 4betting very often.

but could u make a point for folding? u got the worst position, worst relative position to last aggressor, and normally cant continue with the flop...

I have a thread on a 1/2/5 live PLO hand where I folded AA64 1 suit preflop after I 3 bet and got cold 4 bet by the tightest player at the table or in the room. I am being told that I should not have folded. Here was the post I made... I am interested to hear from the higher stakes players and not the .10/.25 PLO players.

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In a lose live 1/2/5 PLO game with a few fish. Villian is a very tight player with no history but knows the game well and is not splashing at all. Never seen him even 3 bet.

I am in MP and UTG pots it to $20 and I make it $60 w AA64 1 suit. Folds to the CO who tanks and pots it! What an awful spot here... I think its a simple fold but what do you think?


-we are $600 eff stacks in a 1/2 game with a straddle.

cap217, you didn't mention what UTG did, but it's not a fold anyway. If he jams or flats the ~$200, we need 540/1800 = 30% or more to make jamming > folding:

AA** 27.75%
Ac6cAd4s 31.45%
15% ! KK** ! QQ** ! JJ** ! TT** 40.79%

Assuming UTG knows to fold high paired hands here.

It is pretty close, though - so close that it's a fold with a rainbow hand or even a 6-high suit instead of the nut suit.
CO can of course have a non-AAxx hand, but that can't move the numbers towards a fold.

If UTG folds, there are options to make a terrible blunder by folding, a marginal profit by jamming (51% against AAxx and obviously clearly ahead everything else), and a larger profit by flatting and leading for what is roughly a pot-sized shove on pretty much every board we'd prefer him to fold on.

i have seen your post and would not have folded, cause u had the option to get enough of your stack in.
if i have that option, i will NOT fold AA.
but, please, there is already a thread going on about this specific hand. i just wanted some theory if somebody can think of a situation where it may be +EV to fold AAxx pre, cause of hand playability, position etc...
thoughts?

I know the game fairly well but these spots like the one I was in show that AAxx is not always a shove. I think that in certain spots I can fold. Will it be +EV? No, never... But it will take the lower variance route in spots. Honestly, in my case, vs anyone else I repot and get it in there and hope for the best. But vs this other player I thought he was tight enough that I can fold. And he did show AAKJ ds...

But you ask if folding AAxx can be +EV? No, it cant be. But it can lower variance in certain spots (which are VERY rare).

Imagine if the CO flatted $60 and we picked up 1 maybe 2 callers? Now what? I am in a horrible spot with my hand. So the fact that I did fold wasnt the best play, but I risked 10% of my stack vs 100% of it in a spot where I had minimal EV.

PS... This is the ONLY time I have folded AA preflop.

i think, mathematically, there are of course spots where it is correct, say u have AAKKno suits, villain 1 has AAKK ds, V2 has 3456ds, V3 has 789Tds, i dont think u have 25% here.but that of course is very unrealistic, and you dont know it either.
has anyone of you practically folded AAxx pre? we know cap did, i myself never, anyone else?

I think that by the time the hand has progressed to the point that you think you might not be a large favorite with AAxx preflop, you've committed too much of your stack to make a +EV fold.

I'ave already folded AA84o preflop in a live game.

It was 25/50 with straddle 80% of time.

I put the straddle and holded AA84o, guy1 makes it 350, another 1200, and the SB pot it to 3800ish. Everybody 200-300bb' deep.
I was sure anybody had aces too, i've just bet 2bbs, i decided to fold.

To finish, someone had really good aces, and it didnt hold in 3way AIPF for the huge pot.


I think this is an okay spot to fold aces pf.