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04-13-2021 , 11:06 AM
hey 2+2!

I'm so new to PLO its awful. Wondered if this is a fold or not

100bb eff stacks

V (BU) opens, Hero flats BB (KT87ss)

F: K73r

V bets 2/3 pot, Hero re-raises 3x, V 3bets (3.4x), Hero calls... (Was contemplating a fold here)

T: Q

V jams. Hero?
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04-13-2021 , 12:21 PM
so 7bb in pre

villain bet 5bb, u raise to 15bb, villain raises to 50bb, u call and now want to fold the turn having put in half your stack? were u hoping for a king?

i might fold to villains flop reraise, although it depends a bit on history and image. most ppl aren't stacking off in a single raised pot without at least top two.
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04-13-2021 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
so 7bb in pre

villain bet 5bb, u raise to 15bb, villain raises to 50bb, u call and now want to fold the turn having put in half your stack? were u hoping for a king?

i might fold to villains flop reraise, although it depends a bit on history and image. most ppl aren't stacking off in a single raised pot without at least top two.
yes 7bb pre. Was I correct to re-raise otf? I know the game differs to NLH so not sure if its strong enough to reraise?
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04-14-2021 , 12:28 AM
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yes 7bb pre. Was I correct to re-raise otf? I know the game differs to NLH so not sure if its strong enough to reraise?

dunno man you'd have to ask a solver. it can't be that bad. even in plo top two is a pretty strong hand. but you do run into sets more frequently. i just don't think we should put in half our stack and fold to a relative blank. if you want to fold to villains flop 3 bet, fine. if you want to call, or go all in, fine. but don't call the three bet and then fold the turn when nothing changes.

flatting the flop is probably an option too, although I think I'd be more inclined to flat bottom set than top two, since it's more likely that I'm coolered and less likely i'll be out drawn and more likely that villain will catch up to a hand that can value cut itself against me.
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04-14-2021 , 01:17 PM
Seems like a spot where his flop 3b is only better hands unless he's terrible or a complete maniac. I would think at stakes where the average player pool is never jamming in 73/K3 and doesn't have bluffs in this spot than you have to raise/fold.
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04-21-2021 , 02:28 AM
I'd flat the flop.
As played, fold to the 3-bet on the flop.

What was your thought process on the flop?

PokerPlayingGamble says you should call since you committed half your stack on the flop but I'm not sure if this is an automatic call even though you only need to be right 25% of the time.

As z06Fanatic1 said: this player would have to be terrible or a maniac to be attempting to bluff this turn. You essentially represented having top2+ on this flop, and the villain committed himself regardless. With such a dry board, the only hand you can hope to be beating is some kind of 4567 hand.
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04-22-2021 , 10:43 PM
I would fold to the flop 3b, you’re in bad shape vs a range of K7+
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05-01-2021 , 07:25 PM
fold to 3bet 75%, pile flop 25%. no solver needed just experience #manvsthemachine
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05-03-2021 , 07:31 PM
I stack off with top 2 against unknown opponents almost every time. People get too married to aces who are bad, and there are a lot of bad players.

What hands is he raising pre, and drilling this board? He have a set of 7s or 3s? No damn way. And if he has 33, I'm not even in awful shape. Blocking kings, only 2 left, it's possible and unfortunate.

Do we have backdoor flush outs? If so, I lean more towards stacking off on flop. Calling is the worst option by far as there are no flops you want to see except maybe a ten or eight.

Against tight players, I fold to 3-bet here.

200bbs or deeper it becomes much tougher and more player dependent.

Where were you playing? What stakes? Might help figure out what your opponent is doing.
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05-04-2021 , 12:32 PM
Some good stuff here ..

No you really can't flat Flop very often at this stack depth. What are you hoping to 'not' see on the Turn? Only an Ace or 3, eh? You love to see a 9

If ahead of AAxx, you will 'only' be about 60-65% on a blank Turn.
You are about 25% against 33xx.
If against Kxxx with overs, you are 65% OTF, 85% if they miss Turn.

To a lot of PLO Players 100 BB is 'short' and when you hit a Flop this hard it just goes in .. that's up to you.

I think folding and/or shoving is OK, but flat/folding is not. GL
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