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A few common live 2/5 spots? A few common live 2/5 spots?

12-27-2017 , 01:07 PM
1.

In our first interesting hand at MGM, there’s a button straddle to 10, SB limps, BB makes it 45. We pop it to 160 (1500)in MP with KKQ4. The BTN cold calls(1000), and the SB calls as well with 90 behind.

The flop comes T76. The SB jams his final 90, we call, and the BTN jams. Is this played fine?

2.

Next up, we see a limp, and we raise AA78 to 25. It ends up going 3 way. We see a check, and we wager 60. The player behind fold, and the checker calls. The turn is the 3 and he leads 200 with 1k behind. We make the fold.

3.

Next up, we see an open to 15 from a nit, and decide to just flat AA23. It folds to the SB who 3bets to 75. The original raiser just calls and we go 300. The SB and original raiser both call.

We go to a flop of K68 and the SB just jams for 600. The original raiser folds, and we end up just folding. I feel like this is a mistake, but it just felt so much like KK?

4.

In our final hand we BTN straddle, and see three limps to us. We make it 55 to go with AAK2 and everyone calls.

The flop comes T36. Two short stacks check to a young reg in MP who wagers 140, with 355 behind. We jam
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12-27-2017 , 04:34 PM
1.bad hand to isolate,just call is only good option.You must call 90,but if you called BTN shove into dead pot-big mistake.Just fold.

2.hand no flop.pls correct.

3.hand spr under1,big mistake to fold.He is jamming every pair or oe there.Can not give credit for top set with 900 in the pot,600 behind.

4.hand absolutely standard jam,not much to discuss.
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12-27-2017 , 04:48 PM
Except for 2 (no flop?) I think they are played fine, although I'd have trouble folding 3 with the pot vs. bet size. I'd need a read or two on SB. It does look a lot like KK, though, and our "redraws" aren't looking so good
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12-27-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Purasevic
1.bad hand to isolate,just call is only good option.You must call 90,but if you called BTN shove into dead pot-big mistake.Just fold.

2.hand no flop.pls correct.

3.hand spr under1,big mistake to fold.He is jamming every pair or oe there.Can not give credit for top set with 900 in the pot,600 behind.

4.hand absolutely standard jam,not much to discuss.


Whoops!

Flop was 625


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12-27-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Except for 2 (no flop?) I think they are played fine, although I'd have trouble folding 3 with the pot vs. bet size. I'd need a read or two on SB. It does look a lot like KK, though, and our "redraws" aren't looking so good


Whoops!

Flop was 625


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12-27-2017 , 05:25 PM
Fold is fine in 2.
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12-28-2017 , 07:45 PM
why is hand 4 even posted?
it's the most standard hand ever.

and the fold in hand 3 is awful

hand 1 flop play is fine, don't like pre but i guess it's fine sometimes.
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12-28-2017 , 11:43 PM
Yeah, hand 3 has been criticized enough, but really, the SPR is 2/3rds, AA on K86tt is a must-stack-off. The whole point of your preflop line, beyond getting value, should be to get all of the $ in the middle on almost any flop.
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12-29-2017 , 10:45 AM
Thanks gents!
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12-29-2017 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by tellypl
Thanks gents!
And ladies

I get that with spr 3 is a call, but the two times I have made it in very similar situations, they have had KK. This is when some player profile comes in handy. I wish I had followed my read in both hands.
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12-29-2017 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
And ladies

I get that with spr 3 is a call, but the two times I have made it in very similar situations, they have had KK. This is when some player profile comes in handy. I wish I had followed my read in both hands.
How can you have read when someone jams here that he has kk?Why would he shove and potentially scare aa hand with top set?Also your sample size of
2 hands is not big enough.I had like 1000 similar hand,and yes there would be some kk and even akk,ak88 hands but more often they will have just

a pair or some kind of straight draw.Not to mention most likely hand for fish

here is akxx hand.
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12-29-2017 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
And ladies



I get that with spr 3 is a call, but the two times I have made it in very similar situations, they have had KK. This is when some player profile comes in handy. I wish I had followed my read in both hands.


And ladies!

Agreed it makes it a bit more interesting since this player had been playing very tight. He was essentially two tabling since he was playing 2/4PLO PLO on his phone while this game was going on.

This was his first 3bet in 6 hours of playing with him, and given the fact that he did not stick it in pre make me discount AA.


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12-29-2017 , 08:20 PM
Not really much to discuss here, I agree with others that 3 is a standard cry-call and that 3! The kk should be done with caution

Especially if straddle is sticky this can be a difficult hand to see a flop with multiway - maybe raising less than 160 could be good or calling could be better?

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01-01-2018 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Purasevic
How can you have read when someone jams here that he has kk?
What if it is a passive player who never bets draws, even strong combo draws, and never slowplays because he is paranoid about giving free cards to draws? He may also not put his opponent on AAxx or think that his opponent wouldn't bet AAxx because he wouldn't in the same spot.

I might know a couple of players who play this way.
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01-02-2018 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
What if it is a passive player who never bets draws, even strong combo draws, and never slowplays because he is paranoid about giving free cards to draws? He may also not put his opponent on AAxx or think that his opponent wouldn't bet AAxx because he wouldn't in the same spot.

I might know a couple of players who play this way.
Well against this kind of described opponent it`s a fold.Against unknown i

think folding is big mistake.
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01-02-2018 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Purasevic
How can you have read when someone jams here that he has kk?Why would he shove and potentially scare aa hand with top set?Also your sample size of
2 hands is not big enough.I had like 1000 similar hand,and yes there would be some kk and even akk,ak88 hands but more often they will have just

a pair or some kind of straight draw.Not to mention most likely hand for fish

here is akxx hand.
The players I was against in this exact situation (3bet, flat 4bet) that I mentioned ITT would not shove flop w/o KK. I know this because I had a read vs. those exact players in those exact hands that I decided to mention in this exact thread.

It has happened other times against other players when I didn't have this exact read, but in those two exact situations, I should have folded.
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01-08-2018 , 04:43 AM
Bad kings make for a very poor 3betting candidate. Agree with the majority here: def can't fold the AA on K86 given our price
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