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Old 01-11-2019, 03:09 AM   #26
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Re: Dude is crushing with this style, can mere mortals do it?

In my experience tables adjust to this kind of play not by bet folding pf, but by limp calling pf, and continuing when they flop the joint for all the monies.
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Old 01-11-2019, 03:36 PM   #27
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In my experience tables adjust to this kind of play not by bet folding pf, but by limp calling pf, and continuing when they flop the joint for all the monies.
I've noticed this too. It will quickly turn a table to a limp call table or a limp / reraise table with aces.

This is generally not a great table to play at... but it does allow us to set the preflop price anywhere between 1-7bb usually.
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Old 01-11-2019, 03:53 PM   #28
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Re: Dude is crushing with this style, can mere mortals do it?

Playing q963 ds as described is pretty awful, even iso-raising with this hand in position can be dodgy
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Old 01-12-2019, 04:18 AM   #29
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Could have tried it out tonight but lost nerve. About 13 of my first 15 hands were double-suited, most of them very good hands. Won the first three that were contested, oddly having both flush draws and straight draws on turn, making back-door flushes on river.

Villain strat won't work as well in smaller games as there are small stacks playing virtually every pot. I think he counts on big stacks playing conservatively, which optimizes his blow it open move. So wondering about calling value of hands like 4-5-7-8 ds against apparent aces blowing it open pre, with 50 or so big blinds dead money out there.
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:07 PM   #30
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Re: Dude is crushing with this style, can mere mortals do it?

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In my experience tables adjust to this kind of play not by bet folding pf, but by limp calling pf, and continuing when they flop the joint for all the monies.
This is how I adjust. I limp-call, occasionally limp-reraise so they are afraid of my EP limps, and make it difficult for players to get a 3bet pot and isolate. My strategy is to force this player into playing single-raised pots with 5+ players seeing the flop, while playing a range that does very well in that scenario. (This would be in a 5/5 game with a 2500 max where I may buy in for 1000.) I usually have the effect of causing pots to be smaller pre when I don't fold (and I fold a lot), but when I am in there, sometimes, I create huge all-in pre pots with either aces or isolating against likely aces with a ton of dead money in the pot.

I'm mostly a nit who occasionally picks spots to play hands like the way OP described to make myself unpredictable. I don't feel comfortable doing that above 5/5, so I tend to stay in my lane and play at that level.

The action junkies who play this way end up getting dominated and stacked. The good players who play this way can be frustrated when I make it harder to play their preferred style and sometimes go on tilt because they have to behave or pick one hand to go to far with.
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Old 01-12-2019, 07:11 PM   #31
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Re: Dude is crushing with this style, can mere mortals do it?

Playing hands preflop that are constantly dominated (this is the same no matter the situation and the way played preflop) isn't as good as playing an optimal amount of hands preflop and building the pots with them. Being an aggro or passive postflop is another issue and could be mixed with the exact opposite preflop. The most optimal is to make a cocktail based on the opponent.
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:31 AM   #32
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Re: Dude is crushing with this style, can mere mortals do it?

this playing style is not adapted to short stacks, all in all this type of players are just willing to flip for stacks and most of the time there hands are dominated.
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:04 PM   #33
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These double-suited hands are often about 60/40 dog versus aces, and even less, which isn't really domination. Still I get the point.
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Old 01-16-2019, 08:57 PM   #34
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Re: Dude is crushing with this style, can mere mortals do it?

Playing a lag style is profitable when people only get it in with the nuts and play back at you with a nutted range, which is a strategy that a lot of players play.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:26 PM   #35
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Playing a lag style is profitable when people only get it in with the nuts and play back at you with a nutted range, which is a strategy that a lot of players play.
Yup.
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Old 01-21-2019, 07:42 AM   #36
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Sit on his right and limp raise a lot.
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Old 01-24-2019, 05:37 PM   #37
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Sit on his right and limp raise a lot.
Better to sit on his left and 3, 4, and 5bet him a lot.
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Old 01-24-2019, 11:14 PM   #38
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anyway these players are called "whales" and they are what the game revolves around.
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:29 AM   #39
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If the player in question is over-rolled for the game and everyone else is, let's say "questionably" rolled, he's going to have a big advantage.
I think many people under rate how important it can be to have hundreds of buy ins at your disposal. Especially when stacks start getting deep and there is a lot of maneuverability. Still, this style can’t be employed successfully without being a good hand reader. Also this style will come with massive swings so tilt issues must be able to managed. Harrington (blesnick) comes to mind as he has a similar style that OP mentioned and he’s very successful at utilizing it
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Old 01-27-2019, 03:16 AM   #40
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I think many people under rate how important it can be to have hundreds of buy ins at your disposal. Especially when stacks start getting deep and there is a lot of maneuverability. Still, this style cant be employed successfully without being a good hand reader.
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Old 01-27-2019, 11:32 PM   #41
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Been keeping an eye on my double-suited rundowns and if I played it this way I flop no pair no draw like 90% or something. But I'm in an arctic chill zone re matching flops. I'm never trying the style. Never mind. LOL. But it works well against deep stacks that want to see flops for 100 but fold for 700 over and over. Granted not scintillating play in that regard.

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Old 01-28-2019, 05:37 AM   #42
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But it works well against deep stacks that want to see flops for 100 but fold for 700 over and over.
Given dynamic with described villain, every hand that's worth 100 is worth 700.

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Better to sit on his left and 3, 4, and 5bet him a lot.
You're going to get backraised 4/5/6 bet by the trappers.
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Old 01-28-2019, 01:29 PM   #43
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[QUOTE=OmahaDonk;54767237]Given dynamic with described villain, every hand that's worth 100 is worth 700.


Yes of course, but he is exploiting not that they don't know this, but that their nittiness keeps them from acting on it.
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Old 02-01-2019, 11:00 PM   #44
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Given dynamic with described villain, every hand that's worth 100 is worth 700.







You're going to get backraised 4/5/6 bet by the trappers.


Pretty much only when they have aces and when they do we get to gamble often seeing a flop with a low spr but huge money to play behind and their hand face up. If this starts happening with the trappers holding other premium high pairs and high card hands/ds runs we can adjust and flat/fold more pre. Either way, Id much rather have position on this guy than look to limp reraise him directly oop
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