$1/2/5 PLO, hero just bought in for $500, rest of table has $1.5K+. Hero has played with all but one of these players many times.

Player notes:

Seat 1 (C/O): Tight, raises pre maybe 5%, 3b maybe 2%.
Seat 2 (button): $4K stack, playing loose currently, always very aggressive.
Seat 3 (SB): Aggressive, loves to pot or check/raise pot with wraps, loaded.
Seat 5 (BB): Gambly, makes loose and bad turn and river calls
Seat 6 (UTG): Not important.
Seat 7 (UTG+1): Unknown
Seat 8 (MP): Tight, good player, haven't seen him bluff.
Seat 9 (H/J): Hero

Seat 2 straddles button $10.

Hero dealt 8833
SB calls $10
BB raises to $30
UTG folds
MP calls $30
Hero calls $30
C/O folds
Straddles raises to $130.
SB calls, BB calls, MP folds, hero calls?


Would you just fold here pre?

This is clear fold.In a possible 5way pot you almost never hit top set,needless to say your

flushdraws are worthless.

Very standard fold, you are set mining for 6% of your stack when you can still get jammed out of the pot to additional action and flopping a set will has massive reverse implied odds

I figured as much..

flop comes KJ3

Checks to hero..

These hands are deceptive . They don’t play well in a lot of situations. Best to fold here as others have mentioned


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For those saying fold which double paired hands are you calling. Let's assume our lower pair doesn't change, do you call 9933ds? TT33ds? JJ33ds? I would assume everyone is calling QQ33ds for sure but how much lower than that are we calling?

qq33 ds is clear fold for me here.7788ds seems better.

You have $500 and if you call your SPR is less than 1 so all of the reads on how players play postflop seems irrelevant

I’d definitely fold this but as played I’d just pot flop

Regarding the discussion about QQ33, I’m not saying we should do but if played I’d just jam it in and realize equity. Haven’t run anything in propertools or something similar to see if that may be profitable given certain assumptions. I’m not thinking about it with anything lower.

What are you all so scared of with 100BB in a multiway pot in a deep game? Sure, sometimes we will flop a set vs a higher set and in those cases we just backdoor flush it for the win, but considering that we will have slightly less than a pot bet left, we will get called by draws, two pair hands, overpairs+gutshots like AAQx/AATx type of hands on this flop etc. Best case scenario, we get called by a hand like KJxx and then one of the deepstacks pots/calls a wrap behind to give us the chance to triple up (if Hero has provided reads correctly, this is a play SB easily could make). With a double pair we will flop a set roughly 1/4 of the time (a bit less) so call is OK preflop.

Also, if noone pots it behind, in a single-raised multi-way pot this hand is extremely easy to play - if we flop a set, we try to get it in on the flop, if we don´t, we fold and go to the next hand (with some rare exceptions).

You also have to consider that the hero is the short-stack at the table, with the deep stacks playing eachother this provides opportunities to get it in against comparatively speculative holdings that will still be best a large % of the time. RIO just do not matter in this situation.

Now, if Hero was playing a 2k-stack in this lineup, 8833ds probably is a fold due to RIO and the fact that this hand will produce so few nutted hands, but with 100BB against 300BB+ table this is a call.

Also, when getting it in with set vs higher set, hit the backdoor flush for the win. That will due wonders for your ROI!

Also, after the calls in-between you might want to consider re-potting all-in. If you get it heads-up vs AA you are still at 36% equity with around 300 dead in the pot, vs rundowns you are more or less flipping with 300 dead. Will also do wonders for your table image.

I want to say that Bob Ciaffone is of the school of thought that raising and folding are both better than calling the $130.

I definitely fold this the first time around if the straddler is an aggressive player who 3bets often. If not, I'd still consider folding it.

I never considered this line but kind of like it. Especially with a needle "why you calling with 1pr when I have 2pr?" when you win.

Unfortunately in this spot the loose/gambly guy was initial raiser, and aggressive straddle is reeraiser. If we jam we are getting called in 2 spots at least. Best case the Straddle guy actually has a monster (not just a BTN raising hand) and rejams when it gets to him, but the gambly guy isn't folding at that point.

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In this situation:

Fold to the $30.

Fold to the $130.

So many of these double-paired hands are pure trash. I rather have *any* other side cards than another pair assuming there are reasonable stacks after the flop. You're trying to flop a set, and if you do the other pair is essentially useless.

I'm also a double-set master. If I played this hand flop would come 9h8h3d and there would be multiway action.

3bet pre, as played call the 3bet, shovel flop.

is it gto to fold this hand at some point pre probably.... am i folding this in a live game no. If i cannot make money playing this hand in a live game i probably wouldn't waste my time playing in the game. People's ranges are so wide in these spots live i think its optimal to adjust by widening ours as well. I mean people folding this to a single raise probably have stats like 10/7 or something. I've seen other players show up w/ like kt22ss or like q953r calling out of sb/bb in spots like this idk how any double paired double suited hand plays poorly vs crazy wide ranges

I would call 8877ds and raise with QQ33ds for 100bb. For me, 8833ds is a call for $30 but a fold to the repop.

These hands are good hands, I don't know what everyone is complaining about. Should have 3bet though. Your suits are worse multiway, so you want to 3bet.