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In the Double Straddle what hand you would take here?

View Poll Results: What hand Would you take on this spot?

Jc6

1 2.17%

5 10.87%

2 4.35%

23 50.00%

None, fold all

15 32.61%

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10-04-2016 , 05:24 PM

White Rook

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 321

Live 5 2 deep game Hero is in the Double Straddle (UTG+1) with 650$, everyone covers (very deep stacks).

Reg open from EP to 80$, Loose BTN calls, Loose UTG (stadlle) calls, Hero Calls.

What Hand you prefer in this spot?

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10-04-2016 , 05:26 PM

sauhund

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AAJTds

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10-04-2016 , 05:33 PM

White Rook

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Originally Posted by sauhund

AAJTds

Take your pills sir, you are to fast, didn't let me finish my poll

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10-04-2016 , 06:09 PM

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grinder

Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 593

Why should anyone not prefer the QJ94 hand if you call? All hands are ss with suit to the Q. Low pairs only cause trouble multiway ant the rest is ragged and lowish. QJ94 has at least 3 connectors with gap on the bottom end. If the non regs are donks i would maybe call. Folding can`t be a very bad option here. Or am I getting something wrong here?

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10-04-2016 , 06:50 PM

White Rook

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If we make the call the SPR would be a little above 2 in a 4 way flop.

I have no clue in this spots, this is why i am asking.

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10-04-2016 , 08:31 PM

Adiprene1

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,170

local 5 2 game (what?), opens to $80...what?

claims very deep stacks, spr of 2 on flop...what?

why does it matter what hand you prefer when you do the same thing with all of them? may aswell also say what flop you prefer.

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10-04-2016 , 11:56 PM

Alpha Fish

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all those lol hands are folds, but if you decided to play 30bb poker for whatever reason might as well pot it and hope to flip for dead 170 in the middle

fyi 570/327 < 2

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10-05-2016 , 07:52 AM

White Rook

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Originally Posted by Alpha Fish

all those lol hands are folds, but if you decided to play 30bb poker for whatever reason might as well pot it and hope to flip for dead 170 in the middle

fyi 570/327 < 2

So, you saying to 3 bet? and if so, what hand from the poll you pick to 3 bet?

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10-05-2016 , 08:57 AM

Alpha Fish

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no I'm saying you should fold and add chips or stop straddling, but if you're there to gamble - 3 ball and see if you can get this hu in which case 1st hand is slightly less garbage than others

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10-05-2016 , 02:15 PM

#10

lnvasques

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 66

Dont double straddle
All teh hands are garbage

After you paid, dont fold if you hit anything

Even if you flop a set with 44 and lose to another set, thats the lesson

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10-06-2016 , 06:39 AM

#11

White Rook

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In the hand I had the Q

Flop was Q

What now? can I check fold this?

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10-06-2016 , 08:19 AM

#12

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grinder

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don`t know what others do, but i fold

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10-07-2016 , 04:32 PM

#13

Black Lotus

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 193

1. Fold pre
2. Fold flop
3. Invite me to game
4. ???
5. Profit

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10-08-2016 , 10:41 AM

#14

Jaewoo

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Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 99

How is this in HSPLO?

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10-09-2016 , 04:39 PM

#15

Alsi

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Originally Posted by Black Lotus

1. Fold pre
2. Fold flop
3. Invite me to game
4. ???
5. Profit

+1

calling with worse than QT9x even if you have double straddled.. is horrible

that is why nowadays PLO requires even more bankroll to play because of so many ppls playing "double holdem hands"

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10-10-2016 , 06:08 AM

#16

White Rook

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Probably the worst and to call is the QJ64 is also the best to 3bet, i found this very interesting.

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10-11-2016 , 02:07 PM

#17

Alsi

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agree with you that QJ64 is best to 3bet because we can catch easier a piece of any flop.

however, I realize that ppls never fold to 3bet nowadays, so should we even 3bet except for value/buy button?

I recently saw a 10/20 where every round has a straddle so it becomes a 10/20/40, often first raise is 150 and gets reraise often to 400 to see a flop... (3 hands in an orbit is 400 pre and usually goes 3 to 4 handed ... everyone has of course 5k to 20k)

what is the purpose of 3betting in Omaha deepstack? just to play bigger limit? sounds like in full ring MP 3bet gets easy cold call by LP player ...?

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10-11-2016 , 02:32 PM

#18

White Rook

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Seems like Ben86 disagree and voted the QJ64 for the best hand to call. Level? ��

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10-12-2016 , 05:00 PM

#19

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grinder

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Originally Posted by White Rook

Seems like Ben86 disagree and voted the QJ64 for the best hand to call. Level? ��

If this is really his opinon than an explanation by himself would be really cool stuff...

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10-12-2016 , 05:35 PM

#20

White Rook

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Ansky went for the QJ44, but that option seems legit.

I just said Ben was leveling because people says he likes to do so.

Maybe it was the "dream machine" that likes the QJ64

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10-12-2016 , 06:33 PM

#21

Rei Ayanami

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Taking QJ94ss ainec. It's going to hit top two on the flop.

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10-13-2016 , 06:42 PM

#22

SolarAU

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You're getting decent odds pre in basically any double straddled pot, so defending it wide is very reasonable. but just keeping in mind all of those hands listed are garbage and you should be taking care post flop, trying not to stack yourself with marginal hands/ draws (duh). On the Q97 flop multi-way I wouldn't be messing around too much, especially with a very marginal TP + no good turn/ river run outs that you can be confident continuing on. In the case that I've defended with the QJ64ss I'd be happy x/f on that board. You want your continuation range to be a bit stronger like TP+ side cards & gutter or better I'd say.

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10-13-2016 , 08:37 PM

#23

SeaKing

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I think 4way calling is going to lose you at least a little more than folding pre, but the order you listed the hands is probably pretty close to the order of their strength.

1) QJ64
2) QJ44
3) Q643
4) QJ94

I can see some swapping between 1, 2, and 3 being right, but I think QJ44 will be 2nd best the majority of the time and QJ94 is going to the worst of the 4 in nearly all cases.

1 2 3 4
3 2 1 4
1 3 2 4

Are imo the top 3 orderings.

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10-19-2016 , 01:29 AM

#24

SaveTheWhales

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Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 169

4 1 2 3

But yeah, I never straddle anyway.

Double straddle I had to google image search to even find out.

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10-24-2016 , 09:41 AM

#25

White Rook

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After a bit of analysis I think the q644 is the best in games with low fold equity, the Q643 is the best with good fold equity, and the qj94 is the worst because high card domination\removal.

That being said they are all trash, and I prolly should find a fold pre.

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