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Old 03-09-2019, 08:53 AM   #1
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Double paired board w/ bottom boat

Online 2/5, the site only has video HH so will have to transcribe the action.

6 handed
Hero:800 in BB with 9s8c5c4s
Villian:$400 UTG. Not too many reads, he seems to be an infrequent player on the site. Didn't buy in max, hasn't topped up.

V: Opens $15, we defend and go to flop HU.

Flop: Ah 9d 4h (pot $32)

We check, villain bets $20, we call.

Turn: As(pot $72)

Turn is checked thru

River: 9h

We lead $60, villain raises to $175.

How do you approach this? I know its kinda a simple spot, but I was a little thrown off by the situation. Why I led river was since the flush completed I figured I could get value from flushes, trips, and fold to any aggression. Should I just be x/c this, or even x/f? With the size of his bet being so small is there merit to calling his raise?
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:59 PM   #2
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Re: Double paired board w/ bottom boat

fold pre, fold flop, bet less on the river, fold to the river raise
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Old 03-10-2019, 04:37 AM   #3
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Re: Double paired board w/ bottom boat

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fold pre, fold flop, bet less on the river, fold to the river raise
you really fold that pre in bb? **** that makes me feel very loose pre
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:02 AM   #4
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Re: Double paired board w/ bottom boat

I think pre is marginal. two gaps is annoying but against a tight utg range (big pairs and high cards) they will perform nearly the same. and that is to say, speculative.

as for the hand: If you want to bet, definitely bet smaller on the river. Imagine you are sitting there with AQQT and someone leads into you 60 into 72. Do you honestly call this?

Or you have A876ds with the 8 high flush. Would you call? Or maybe KKJT with the Jack flush?

Exactly! Those are all easy folds. The A with the low flush hand might turn it into a bluff, but i wouldn't hold my breath


His line bet flop check behind turn is weird. I would instinctual say that's a boat not wanting to scare of draws or "took a stab, giving up now" more than a draw taking the free card.

So I wouldn't lead out river unless I have a special read that he calls very light or does that with draws.

In a vacuum I would c/c most sizes, but expect lose a fair bit.

as played... well.... the raise is small, we have to pay 115 to win 307. But we aren't good here 37% of the time, I don't think. I don't see how!

I would fold and beat myself up that I had to fold a hand with showdown value. And that's the lesson here: Going into the river you should think "A boat is a good hand, I want to show this down. But I don't want to stack off. How do I get to showdown the cheapest?"

That might be a blocker bet, that might be a c/c line.
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Old 03-15-2019, 06:31 AM   #5
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Re: Double paired board w/ bottom boat

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I think pre is marginal. two gaps is annoying but against a tight utg range (big pairs and high cards) they will perform nearly the same. and that is to say, speculative.

as for the hand: If you want to bet, definitely bet smaller on the river. Imagine you are sitting there with AQQT and someone leads into you 60 into 72. Do you honestly call this?

Or you have A876ds with the 8 high flush. Would you call? Or maybe KKJT with the Jack flush?

Exactly! Those are all easy folds. The A with the low flush hand might turn it into a bluff, but i wouldn't hold my breath


His line bet flop check behind turn is weird. I would instinctual say that's a boat not wanting to scare of draws or "took a stab, giving up now" more than a draw taking the free card.

So I wouldn't lead out river unless I have a special read that he calls very light or does that with draws.

In a vacuum I would c/c most sizes, but expect lose a fair bit.

as played... well.... the raise is small, we have to pay 115 to win 307. But we aren't good here 37% of the time, I don't think. I don't see how!

I would fold and beat myself up that I had to fold a hand with showdown value. And that's the lesson here: Going into the river you should think "A boat is a good hand, I want to show this down. But I don't want to stack off. How do I get to showdown the cheapest?"

That might be a blocker bet, that might be a c/c line.
Good analysis, think youre spot on. I ended up calling(im a massive station) and he had trip A's with the nut flush blocker, definitely ambitious on his end
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