Solid villain opens 3.5x full pot from HJ
You have the hand above
Here comes the poll

a) I can lose less than 100bb/100 by defending
b) I will lose more than 100bb/100 by defending

Also. Do people think weakening your defending range makes the stronger hands you defend more or less profitable when you play them

anybody else needed at least a few attemps to understand the topic of the thread? I just kept wondering what that 278.000 (=278K) had to do with 1 out of 8 suits

haha yea

@topic
vs solid villain from HJ you shouldn't be able to lose less than 100bb/100 with that hand otherwise villain is pbb not solid. The hand has almost nothing at all going for it. Would probably only defend vs very special type of fish and only if sb has folded if we're bb.

I voted for the latter. And the answer to this question depends on how you play your weak defend hands post flop. If you're calling with a noticeably wide range, and then putting a lot of pressure on with a lot of marginal hands, then it will probably increase the profitability of your strong hands to some degree, depending on the villains. This is a dicey strategy though. If competent villains catch on to what you're doing, the extra money you make with your stronger hands may not make up for the extra losses you'll suffer to them with your marginal hands.

On the other hand, if you defend a lot of weak hands and proceed to play fit-or-fold poke with them, then it probably won't make any difference to the profitability of your stronger hands. Competent villains will catch on that you always have it when you show aggression regardless of how many hands you play.

id fold actually. HJ is confusing term for 6 max.

+1
I don't think I can profit well against a ghost or an imaginary player

Took me forever (even reading others' posts) to figure out 278K was not $278k and in fact meant K872

.. and this would be a fold against a competent villain.

This thread is a fail - you give no choice for the people who want to fold and lose 100bb/100

I use this hand because ike defended it from the BB vs isi at 200/400 ante to a pot raise

The former is generally always the case from a theoretical pov.

lolwut

I don't believe defending this hand can be part of GTO, but if you have a big edge over your opponent then you can obviously defend it.

...But he has a GTO dreammachine...

We have like 40% equity vs a 30% FI range. So my guess would be if we were able to play GTO we can call here - at least if we weren't too deep.

30% is pretty loose for HJ, and even then we will have to realize >80% of our equity to break-even.

In Holdem K8o has 40,5% against top 30%, and I don't see winning players defending it vs pot-sized HJ or even CO open.

depends how good hj is

prob not defending that hand vs anyone good

Ike had a sidebet with another Highstakesreg that he could lose less than 38BB/100 overall in BB while defending over 90% of hands to a single raise

ike can see through cards tho

I love this Poll Threads

Of course this is dependent of stack size but against a solid Villain in the HJ opening for pot I would fold.

- upper case=king; lower case=kilo, im confused by the confusion
- its pretty easy w/a large enough sample to get a solid handle on R in bb defence scenarios.
- imo holdem comparison is not very applicable to plo.

Is there money riding on the outcome of this?

I'd probably lose >100bb defending it, but i think some players could lose less.

Hi OP,

i have a question and a suggestion:

question: are you really asking because you are not sure or do you have a answer already and you only want to see what others think?

suggestion, if you are looking for an answer: Isn`t it possible for you to filter your HM-database for similar spots and look how you doing. If you usually do not defend with hands that weak maybe you could filter down to hands that are close to this hand and look how you doing with these.

I hope thats not too stupid. If it is: Sorry!