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08-03-2021 , 09:03 AM
Playing $4/8 online 3 handed.

V1 is a normally solid player who can be nitty although is on massive tilt. Usually players higher. Lost $15,000 at higher stakes earlier in the day to a donk, and is currently down at least 20 buy-ins in this game. He's playing super aggressive trying to get lucky and win a big hand, but not making any progress. He's doubled up but dumped it back to me or others every time.

Starting Stack: $2200

V2 is a pretty solid but ultimately straightforward player who loves to bumhunt. Usually sits on my left since I'm aggressive and 3-bets me a lot.

Starting Stack: $2000

Me: Running like God in this session and ran $800 up to $12,000. Just hitting hands and getting it all in ahead and holding. Occasionally bluff catching V1 as well when I check and let him hang himself.

V2 (Button): Limps (out of character for him, he usually raises. He does try to isolate V1 a lot by 3-betting, or 4-betting V1's 3 bets)

Hero (SB): A K Q J

I raise to $32.

V1 (BB): re-pots to $104 (he does this a lot to isolate me).. Although he's been playing fairly crazy when he has 100BB, he tends to calm down and nit up a little when he's deeper.

V2: calls $104

Hero: Repots to $416. I want to isolate against the tilting player, and V2 doesn't seem especially strong. If V2 jams I might have a fold if he was trapping here. V1 will jam a lot here so I'm never folding to him.

V1: calls

V2: calls

Pot $1248

With this SPR, I pretty much am jamming anything I connect with.

Flop: Q 5 3

Hero: pot $1248
V1: all-in $1788
V2: calls all-in.

I'm not loving the flop and shove, but I don't think there are too many hands that have me crushed here, and I have the nut flush blocker to keep someone from getting it in with that draw.

Hand seems pretty standard IMO, but it's also one of the biggest pots I've played in a while so want to see if there's anything to learn.
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08-03-2021 , 06:47 PM
given how you played it pre, I don't think you can do anything differently postflop.
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08-04-2021 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gwai lo
given how you played it pre, I don't think you can do anything differently postflop.
Was my preflop 4-bet questionable? I probably wouldn't do that normally, but given the tilt of the one player (and chance that I could easily get 5-bet jammed to squeeze out the other player), I thought it was worth it.
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08-04-2021 , 12:54 PM
i think four betting has the highest expectation, but it's also a high variance line, so we risk letting V1 win a massive pot and get off tilt. better to play a bit nittier against him since given that he is tilting so bad he probably won't be able to help getting it in bad against us if we play a bit patiently.
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08-04-2021 , 01:07 PM
Nice run, hope you held. Agree with everything PPG said.
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08-04-2021 , 03:25 PM
Turned out V1 had 35, V2 had a wrap, and hit. V2 wins big pot, V1 wins sidepot.

Equity was really close IIRC. Really wanted V2 out!
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08-04-2021 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Was my preflop 4-bet questionable? I probably wouldn't do that normally, but given the tilt of the one player...
how light is BB getting it in? is he 5bet shipping worse rundowns pre? i think its doubtful your iso will be successful since v2 is closing the action AND OTB. i think it's important to note what the 4bet will do to the spr and how that impacts opponent play.

what's the ideal situation for you and your hand?

if you call, 3ways spr 7
successful iso, hu spr 2.5
2 callers, 3ways spr 1.5

in a 3 handed game i'm going to venture you're essentially nutted with top 4 broadway and K hi suit. any pair you flop is going to be top pair. any flop you hit you're gonna grip hard enough for stacks. Is it better to play more poker post or less poker? you're playing fit or fold with that spr and two players behind. i think with the smaller spr you allow them to play perfectly, if they have any piece they will have the equity to gii.

I feel like maybe you could've been getting slightly impatient/ambitious going after him here, but if you don't have that in you maybe you wouldn't have run it up to 12k to begin with. so i'm not criticizing, i'm asking.
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08-04-2021 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 5th Suit
how light is BB getting it in? is he 5bet shipping worse rundowns pre? i think its doubtful your iso will be successful since v2 is closing the action AND OTB. i think it's important to note what the 4bet will do to the spr and how that impacts opponent play.

what's the ideal situation for you and your hand?

if you call, 3ways spr 7
successful iso, hu spr 2.5
2 callers, 3ways spr 1.5

in a 3 handed game i'm going to venture you're essentially nutted with top 4 broadway and K hi suit. any pair you flop is going to be top pair. any flop you hit you're gonna grip hard enough for stacks. Is it better to play more poker post or less poker? you're playing fit or fold with that spr and two players behind. i think with the smaller spr you allow them to play perfectly, if they have any piece they will have the equity to gii.

I feel like maybe you could've been getting slightly impatient/ambitious going after him here, but if you don't have that in you maybe you wouldn't have run it up to 12k to begin with. so i'm not criticizing, i'm asking.
He's getting it in pretty in light here I figure.

My thought process was I'm out of position so reducing SPR when I have equity is good, and doing anything to make it heads up is right. I'll have a hard time realizing equity when I'm ahead if the flop is mediocre, so this helped make it so I could make easy decisions.

If I had position I'd be more likely to see flops. I did think I could get V2 out of the hand, at least a decent chunk of the time.

V1 was 3-betting me super light constantly, so this being a clear top tier hand against his 3-betting range, I decided it was a good time.

Just happened to be a flop I "hit" and only had 20% equity against both.

V1 had 3995
V2 had A476

Runout was 6 8.
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08-05-2021 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Was my preflop 4-bet questionable? I probably wouldn't do that normally, but given the tilt of the one player (and chance that I could easily get 5-bet jammed to squeeze out the other player), I thought it was worth it.
I have a bad habit of trying to play too much like solver outputs and I don't think this particular hand would make it into the solver's 4bet range (given normal ranges).

Since BB is 3betting you with 4 random cards (9953ss... lol), I don't mind the 4b with attempts to iso the BB. I'd likely fold to the 5b though. Person would have to be completely insane/degen for me to want to stick 250BBs in with AKQJss. If that's the case --- the guy is going to just rip with 4 random cards instead of flat the 4b IP then I guess we just sigh go with it.
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