On reflection, I feel like I played this poorly. Probably my lack of experience playing PLO and trying to force the action rather than being patient.

Was my line OK vs BU open?

pre is std, fold on the flop.
If you had ATTxds you could consider 3betting.

Turn is spectacular spew

Wow - that bad?

Made me feel even worse...

Flop is a fold, our draw and our SDV are too weak.

Think of it this way, to call a psb you need a hand better than a hand that you would want to bet pot with1 yourself.

Think about it. If he has AAhxh you have 10% on the flop.

If he has AhKhxx you have 25%.

What was your thinking on the turn?

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Not a lot if I'm being honest. I just thought with a flush draw and a straight draw, if I shoved and he called I'd have equity vs his range. Pretty dumb upon reflection.

Thanks for the input.

yep

You are bluffing into a card that hits his range

You should of hit a J so you would feel good about your play =)

I don't think calling flop is terrible. I think this is a good hand to 3! Vs btn opener at these stacks

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3! Fold? Do we have enough playability to call a 4bet if it comes?

OOP against the chip leader with these stacks and this hand, folding pre is not disgraceful.

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cannot fold this hand vs steal open

No one will know if you fold pre

I've been nitting it up pre for longer than that and have seen prettier things than this hand come and go.

Look closer and you'll see she's a four-pinter at best.

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When?

I thought we were all 42, balding and renting a studio apartment.

Beans and toast in the same meal would be a nice treat though. Wish I lived the high stakes life. Last night I heated up some old pizza boxes I found in a dumpster, just hoping to get some leftover cheese

We are generally like 38% or so vs a tight 4bet range so stacking off here for 30bb should be fine. That we block kk is nice, qq and jj might find a fold to a 3! This hand doesn't play great postflop when you flat, thus my preference for more aggressive preflop action.

Checked the rankings, odds Oracle has this at a 5% hand, so I will stand by my agressive approach.

Cash game this would be a clear 3b... however, where are we in this tournament - is it FT? Since if so ICM is obv a factor and that changes things massively.

Some epidemic nittery in this thread.

I mean folding pre is pretty nitty but you can't seriously be saying flop/turn are fine..

22 remaining. I was around 14th in chips at the time and had a fairly tight image.

Post flop is the only concern I have with this hand. Pre would be a mistake to fold

I'm not saying folding pre is the best play. I would call as well, but we should be aware that we will be getting involved in many precarious situations, putting in 10% of our stack with a hand that will flop lots of draws but won't often make the nuts.

Being OOP to a pot open from the chip leader is the nut worse situation. Every chip is invaluable as we leverage fold equity over the smaller stacks.

This has absolutely zero to do with the same hand in a 100bb cash game situation.

3b pre, jam flop then

Fine, I'll break it down.

Using a conservative estimate of 50% open (and with chip leader bullying shorter stacks you can easily go 75%) we have a major equity advantage vs his range:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: Q27

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KsThTs9h	60.76%	362,640	3,828
50%	39.24%	233,532	3,828

Now obviously he's checking whiffs some of the time and puts in some smaller bets with some weaker holdings so the 60% number isn't what we have facing a bet, but it takes a lot of mental gymnastics to reduce our equity all the way to the low thirties where it needs to be a for a fold. If he's potting just better hands and flush draws we still have 46%. If this were a NL game and villain just open-shoved flop its actually close! And again, this is just 50% preflop range, we can easily give him 75%.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: Q27

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KsThTs9h	45.70%	273,559	1,267
50% & (*h*h**, Q***, KK**, AA**, 22**, 77**)	54.30%	325,174	1,267

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Turn is a bit closer. Unlike flop and preflop we're never in great shape, but we're also never really in horrible shape with a gutshot, flush draw, and possibly best hand if villain is semibluffing either of the flush draws. I suspect some people missed that we're just really shallow here, just over a PSB. So we need ~35% to effectively c/c, and if villain has just top pair+ and flush draws that's about what we have.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

1,948,960 trials (Exhaustive)

board: Q27A

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
KsThTs9h	35.52%	686,841	10,933
50% & (*h*h**, QQ**, A***, 22**, 77**, *c*c**, Q7**, Q2**, 72**)	64.48%	1,251,186	10,933

So given that we probably have to put chips in we have to decide whether we're catching random air with a pair of tens or trying to bluff out maybe Qx and push random hands off their equity. It doesn't really matter too much. If you really want to make a deal about the flop bet size and how villain is super strong and we don't have 35%, and something something ICM, fine, I can see how a check-fold is arguable. But saying otherwise is never bad and just really far from a spew.

I don't see any way you can fold this pre-flop. Against the chip leader on the button when everyone folded to him, I'm snapping so fast your head would spin. If I were to give it any thought it would be should I 3-bet, folding never crosses my mind.

On the flop I'm probably debating for a bit & ultimatley check/calling. Although lead/jamming would cross my mind, I'd most likely play it as you did. We've got a flush draw, a pair (with only one over card), & a couple backdoor draws. If we're going to fold this flop... why call pre in the first place? Are we calling to flop quads?

On the turn I probably check fold given that it's a tournament. We have ICM to think about. You mentioned that there's 14 remaining meaning that there's probably a pay jump at 12, I would say ICM should 100% be a consideration. You decided to lead the turn and, I may be in the minority here, but I don't think it's horrible. If you think villian thinks we're taking ICM into consideration it looks like potentially a strong bet. But then again, a lead on the turn might look weak. All depends on your read on villian. There's some metagame going on there. All in all I think the turn is close, I don't hate a check/fold or a jam (although I probably choose a check fold, personally).