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02-03-2020 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by September.28
I've played over 100 hours of live PLO this month and I can count on one hand the number of times someone didn't preflop raise AA
There are lots of reasons to raise AA and lots of reasons to limp AA. Also, there are lots of reasons why you didn't get to see when someone did limp AA. I think the most important thing is to mix it up so that you're not capped in common situations (like in a limper pot on an A high flop)

OP - I think your pot size is wrong both pre and post.

This spot is pretty close. I usually choose to gamble in these spots for various reasons. Someone will build a big stack and someone will bust, both of which are good for the game. I also assume others will tilt more than me when losing. I'm also a degen
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02-03-2020 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
There are lots of reasons to raise AA and lots of reasons to limp AA. Also, there are lots of reasons why you didn't get to see when someone did limp AA. I think the most important thing is to mix it up so that you're not capped in common situations (like in a limper pot on an A high flop)
There is good mixed strategy play and then there is what people actually do. Joe Blow (villian) leaves his house to go play poker, he sits at a PLO or NLH table, hopes to get AA and raises it pre-flop. Period. And I played over 150+ hours of live for January and can still count on one hand the number of times someone limped AA. And I already pointed out the caveat of not seeing every hand. And I also pointed out in numerous posts if you come across the rare player who limps AA preflop, then take a mental note.

Someone preflop limping AA is so rare that it is actually the least interesting part of this hand. How to plays hero's K987 is more interesting. How to play V2's 66xx is more interesting.

Last edited by September.28; 02-03-2020 at 06:51 PM.
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02-03-2020 , 09:05 PM
Limping aa is really not that rare in my experience, especially bad aa. And it can be situationally better than raising.
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02-06-2020 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Limping aa is really not that rare in my experience, especially bad aa. And it can be situationally better than raising.
This X1000.

If you don't sometimes limp bad AA in early position sometimes then you will always be having to deal with a lot of tough spots with one pair/no-draw OOP in bloated pots against multiple callers.

Bad AA can be solid in position as opening raiser or 3-better but if you raise in early position you're going to get 3+ calls typically with low-odds of getting 3-bet; that's not to say you shouldn't still do it, but depending on the table dynamics + balancing your range you shouldn't always raise (this isn't NLHE, if you have AA82 rainbow you are basically flipping against QJ109 or JJ109).

So yeah, really depends on table dynamics + position + "how bad" an AA it is.

[I've seen dozens of players do this over the years and I'm just a recreational-player, so it's not as rare as some might think...maybe at higher levels it's different though? Highest I've played is 5-5-10]
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02-06-2020 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by September.28
There is good mixed strategy play and then there is what people actually do. Joe Blow (villian) leaves his house to go play poker, he sits at a PLO or NLH table, hopes to get AA and raises it pre-flop. Period. And I played over 150+ hours of live for January and can still count on one hand the number of times someone limped AA. And I already pointed out the caveat of not seeing every hand. And I also pointed out in numerous posts if you come across the rare player who limps AA preflop, then take a mental note.

Someone preflop limping AA is so rare that it is actually the least interesting part of this hand. How to plays hero's K987 is more interesting. How to play V2's 66xx is more interesting.
... Holdem I’d tend to agree but you haven’t played much live plo if you think this
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02-06-2020 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by smoothcriminal99
... Holdem I’d tend to agree but you haven’t played much live plo if you think this
I played over 150+ of live PLO in January.

This thread got off to a a mess over the lack of detail on the hand. And has now twisted to a mess over the details of AA preflop. I'll leave it at semantics.

Several posters have talked about the merits of limping AA, that is therefore a discussion of hero's (or good players) play. I have posted about the player population tendencies (villian, bad play). Apples and oranges. And I've gone further to point out in multiple posts in this thread that if you come across a person that plays differently than the population tendencies, then make a mental note of that person. This is not the first apples and oranges 2+2 discussion and it won't be the last. But God bless any of you thinking that (minus the players we have mental notes on, which I've mentioned in at least 4 posts) that live player pool tendencies of PLO is to limp some AA.

But to this poster in particular, since you incorrectly think I don't play much live PLO. I think you aren't capable of making a mental note on live players, playing the players and simultaneously playing the player pool tendencies.

Last edited by September.28; 02-07-2020 at 12:20 AM.
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