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Originally Posted by Z06Fanatic1
Turn seems like a clear fold given the action - seems like an obvious straight your against. I think this is a good example of why we don't play hands like this pre - we flopped pretty well but have very few ways to improve, and there's a ton of bad turns. Even if this was DS it's still not that strong, but at least gives us a second chance for a weak flush.
Fold to the first bet or after it's raised and called? Even if he turns his hand face-up, I can't fold on the second one. To the UTG bet, I am calling against this player with likely the best hand and emergency draws. But the worry is getting it in with player behind where he jams, then UTG folds.
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Originally Posted by DrTJO
I don’t like your call preflop from UTG1. I mean, you shouldn’t have much of a cold calling range here (some KKxx and QQxx)—I’d say all your Axxx should be 3betting or folding, so you can definitely fold the single suit, non-broadway here.
As played, I actually don’t mind a raise on the flop against aggro/tilted UTG, since you have a st8 blocker, a diamond and bdfd, in addition to top/bottom. The fact that the two players behind are nitty means you can raise/fold if necessary.
On the turn you’re pretty much indifferent 3way against, say, a straight (V2) and diamond draw/gutter combo (V1), but you may as well just put the all money in after V2’s raise.
Against this opponent 3-betting is usually bad, especially at this stack depth. I try to keep pots smaller and evaluate when I see flops.
I do think I should have raised the flop. This particular opponent is kind of aggressive and if he jams here, I really am not happy. Maybe that leans toward fold, but that's what escalating mistakes gets us.
I don't think V1 is tilting, just this is lower stakes than he usually plays and is more likely to **** around and spew off cash, or try to bully people who might be taking a shot at a bigger game.
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Originally Posted by LongDTravis
I have been smashed in so many pots with starting hands like this that my only advice that is definite is fold pre. As played, I’m probably folding the flop a lot it sounds nitty but what do we beat? What turns cards and runnouts really help us?
If i made it to that turn, I’d have reraised pot instead of calling.
The obvious turns that help us are of course a 9 and 4. A non-diamond ace would also be quite good. Clubs are of course good to hit. And there is a decent chance of a check-through on the flop.
Results:
V1 hand K
J
T
8
V2 had 6
8
(hand history doesn't show what else).
River is J
and V1 jams like $50 and is called. I ran it in an equity calculator and I was surprisingly in decent shape on the turn, something like 36% of the equity, with V1 with 12%.
Definitely misread V1's hand here, his wrap was quite strong and needed to protect against flushes. V2 was going nowhere with at least open-ended and flush draw, wish I saw his cards. I don't think my result is much different other than if I folded preflop.