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11-07-2017 , 03:07 PM

VerdantDevil

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2/5, $10 button straddle.
MP raises to $40
Hero raises to $140 in cutoff with A

3 calls (SB, BB, MP)
Flop ($560) T

Check, check, MP bets $200.

Hero?
Stacks $1500 effective at start of hand

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11-07-2017 , 04:36 PM

Purasevic

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 768

First of all you have second nf blocker as 78dd makes nut flush

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Without any reads I m very suspicious that people are gonna fold any flush live

in a big 3way pot.Although his betting into pfr doesn`t really make much

sense.Only logic hand would be top set.Best scenario would be you raise all in in order to make fold lower flush by sb and bb,and mp calls with tt.
But again not sure how often this will work,so closer to fold.

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11-08-2017 , 09:49 AM

Javanewt

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Agree with above basically. W/o reads and not knowing if he'll fold a flush, I might just let this one go. I think you are a bit deep to shove and find out, but that's your only option unless you would normally flat the nut flush here (I wouldn't).

(With the read people usually have on me, I could shove here and get a fold from most players.)

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11-08-2017 , 04:52 PM

BDHarrison

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

but that's your only option unless you would normally flat the nut flush here (I wouldn't).

I flat the nut flush here often enough that I can float with the intention of making the naked ace bluff on the turn, while letting me use the power of position to possibly also bluff the turn if the board pairs and I think he is scared.

I have a strong image where many regs feel they need to get lucky to beat me in a big pot, so if a player leads with a set into what appear to be obvious aces, he may just 3bet jam out of frustration if I raise the flop.

If I were MP in this hand, I have a straight flush in my range if I lead the flop.

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11-08-2017 , 06:09 PM

sauhund

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

Agree with above basically. W/o reads and not knowing if he'll fold a flush, I might just let this one go. I think you are a bit deep to shove and find out, but that's your only option unless you would normally flat the nut flush here (I wouldn't).

(With the read people usually have on me, I could shove here and get a fold from most players.)

always flat the nut flush here please.

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11-08-2017 , 06:35 PM

SolarAU

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Pretty much the way to play the nut blocker is to play the hand the same way you would the actual nut flush otherwise you'll be too unbalanced if you're say calling a lot here with flushes and bluff raising blocker type hands.

If you think players will give you enough respect to having it when you float flop and X/r some turns, and assuming the SPR isn't too low then it's okay to put this kind of play into your game but otherwise if they're not folding many 2nd/ 3rd nut flushes there's no shame in just x/f flop with the blocker.

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11-08-2017 , 07:13 PM

VerdantDevil

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I was wondering whether to flat and bluff turn, or to raise flop, but decided that if I did hold the nut flush, I would raise the flop here, so I ended up raising his bet to $600.
SB and BB fold, and MP tank-shoves for an additional ~$700 on top of my $600.

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11-08-2017 , 07:25 PM

BDHarrison

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Sometimes, your opponents project, so it doesn't matter what you would do with the nut flush. If your opponent would flat with the nut flush on the flop, he may think you would do the same and think a raise is weak.

Do you think your opponent shoved because your bet-sizing looked weak or do you think he was hollywooding with a straight flush? How much would you raise if you actually had the nut flush?

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11-08-2017 , 08:22 PM

Purasevic

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Originally Posted by BDHarrison

If I were MP in this hand, I have a straight flush in my range if I lead the flop.

With A flush or A blocker I can see reasons for every option.However I`m pretty

sure that MP donking with straight flush is one of the worst possible moves.

Not to mention you discourage any potential bluffer but also saying that

straight flush is in your leading range and you flop straight flush 1 time

in million hands sounds funny

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11-09-2017 , 01:46 PM

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Javanewt

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I am pretty much never flatting the nut flush here, but it does depend on my Villain. If I flat here, I will get almost no more action unless I am behind. I guess this might work if I am bluffing with the nut A, but they have to know I'll flat it. I don't like slow-playing, though, with or w/o the actual nuts.

If you check the flop, do you just give up on turn when V bets or do you think he'll fold then? -- seems unlikely to me. Best case is he checks turn and you bet, but you'd better know he'll fold.

Villain tendencies would definitely help here.

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11-11-2017 , 09:10 PM

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BDHarrison

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If I raise here, I will get almost no more action unless I am behind, so it depends on how many outs I think my opponent is drawing to.

My reg opponents generally know I sometimes call and sometimes raise with the nuts here, so they are wary any time I don't fold. I don't hate slow-playing, but my decision to do so is based on what I think my opponent's range is, not the absolute strength of my hand.

If you want to get better at poker, you should think in advance what villain profiles you should raise against and what villain profiles you should consider just calling. I often have decided what I will do if I flop the nut flush before the flop comes down.

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11-21-2017 , 07:06 AM

#12

mustberigged

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Call. You have a straight. This isn't a bluffing spot (yet).

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11-22-2017 , 11:08 AM

#13

MATT111

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I can see specific conditions that make me want to raise this. But it's a very clear call to me without reads.

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11-26-2017 , 08:49 AM

#14

pucmo

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Looks like a loose game, there are 4 players. What's the math for there being a flush out, including the donker? Under half-pot donk.

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12-02-2017 , 06:37 AM

#15

lucaspawpaw16

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Min raise like a baws!

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12-07-2017 , 10:19 AM

#16

Purasevic

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What MP had??

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12-07-2017 , 02:04 PM

#17

VerdantDevil

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IDK what he had, I folded to his raise and he mucked

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12-08-2017 , 04:07 PM

#18

tanguillo

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Originally Posted by VerdantDevil

where is this game? his play makes no sense -.-

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12-08-2017 , 04:17 PM

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BDHarrison

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Originally Posted by tanguillo

where is this game? his play makes no sense -.-

It is consistent with how some players would play a straight flush, betting small on the flop to build the pot, then Hollywooding before shoving when raised.

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12-10-2017 , 11:30 PM

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koolwhynot2

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

Agree with first post. U could how ever call than raise or pot and non board pairing turn.

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12-12-2017 , 04:06 AM

#21

uradoodooface

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I play micro stakes and without reads....you spewed money.

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