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Bad aces, flop a set, how do I maximize in this spot Bad aces, flop a set, how do I maximize in this spot

01-17-2018 , 12:06 PM
Playing a lose 1/2 PLO game with a $5 bring in. Max Buy of $1,000, close to $20,000 in play. My questions relates mostly to play on the turn and river, as I think my hand is pretty standard Preflop and on the flop.

Hero has about $1,600 and has AA92r in MP.
2 limps in front, Hero Limps, 2 limps behind.
Super Lag on Button who is down $2,000 raises to $30.
Blinds fold, Everybody else calls including Hero.

Flop ($183): A93
Checks to Hero
Hero checks with intention of letting Super Lag on Button blow his brains out.
Checks all the way through....

Turn ($183)A933
1st player checks
2nd player bets $105
Hero Calls
4th player folds
5th player raises to $325
Everybody folds to me including the initial better.

Question starts here. How do i maximize profitability in this hand? Should I re-raise the turn? If re-raise turn, small raise or big raise? Should I flat and lead river? Flat and check the river, with intentions on check raising?

Villain is repping strength, but I pretty much have all the best hands here, I even block 99, so that's unlikely. Especially with the initial guy in front of me betting, I am thinking the other two 3's are in their hands, so having quads or improving to quads is unrealistic and probably impossible.
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01-17-2018 , 01:51 PM
Max value is call turn. 33 is way more likely than you’re giving credit for, but the way you played it, he would think the same thing about you having AA, so 99, A3, and even 93 + some overplayed trips w/flush draw hands are possible.

Initially I thought you should check-call/jam river. But after writing the first paragraph and thinking it through I think you should jam river. I think V can find a check with lower boats, but you give him a chance to make a big mistake by jamming. Interested to hear what others think because it’s close to me on the river.
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01-17-2018 , 03:22 PM
Pre and flop is standard,probbably is calling the best to invite 1.player to put 220$ more.

I would check/jam river here,it`s very hard for them to have more than trips and so not

expect them to call shove with that.If you just call call you underrep your hand and can

induce some bluffs,99 will go all in anyway.
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01-17-2018 , 06:35 PM
No reason to raise here, just call and check/jam river
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01-18-2018 , 11:18 AM
I guess my reasoning for questioning this play is how the results of the hand played out on the river.

The river completed: A9339
Hero Checked
Villain checked behind showing Trip 3's with middling kickers.

My thinking was, that it was possible Villain was trying to buy the option of checking river by raising on the turn. If that is the case, perhaps Hero should click it back on the turn, raising to $575ish and then leading all rivers.

It's also possible that the river was quite literally the worst card in the deck and that Villain just decided to take show down vs. betting unsure where he was in the hand.
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01-21-2018 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jtm1208
Question starts here. How do i maximize profitability in this hand? Should I re-raise the turn? If re-raise turn, small raise or big raise? Should I flat and lead river? Flat and check the river, with intentions on check raising?
This is always opponent dependent. Can your opponent fold a boat? If you are too aggressive, can you play it in a way that reduces his non-folding range to quads? Getting max value might be a matter of playing your hand to get the maximum from a trashy hand like QJ83ds. Even bad LAGs have been able to find a fold with that hand against me (I have a tight, competent image) if I push too hard.

Calling the first bet then calling the raise looks a lot like a slowplay, unless you have the image of an idiot. Even LAGs can recognize that. If our super LAG is capable of slowing down against obvious strength, then you should consider raising if you think he will optimistically try to suck out against 93. If you think he folds trips, then calling the turn and leading the river makes sense. Bet-sizing depends on if you think the river helped him. If he is a tell station, you may even be able to lead the river unless he gives off that he boated up, in which case, go for a check-raise.

On that particular river card, I think you might as well lead, since now a lot of 3xxx hands are going to check it back when they might make a crying call on the river.
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01-22-2018 , 02:04 AM
Just keep calling imo
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01-23-2018 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
This is always opponent dependent. Can your opponent fold a boat? If you are too aggressive, can you play it in a way that reduces his non-folding range to quads? Getting max value might be a matter of playing your hand to get the maximum from a trashy hand like QJ83ds. Even bad LAGs have been able to find a fold with that hand against me (I have a tight, competent image) if I push too hard.

Calling the first bet then calling the raise looks a lot like a slowplay, unless you have the image of an idiot. Even LAGs can recognize that. If our super LAG is capable of slowing down against obvious strength, then you should consider raising if you think he will optimistically try to suck out against 93. If you think he folds trips, then calling the turn and leading the river makes sense. Bet-sizing depends on if you think the river helped him. If he is a tell station, you may even be able to lead the river unless he gives off that he boated up, in which case, go for a check-raise.

On that particular river card, I think you might as well lead, since now a lot of 3xxx hands are going to check it back when they might make a crying call on the river.
Thanks man, I appreciate the advice. I agree my hand looks ridiculously strong with the double flat on the turn. I think I should have clicked it back to $575-$600 and then lead the river, where I anticipate a fold.
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01-23-2018 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by jtm1208
Thanks man, I appreciate the advice. I agree my hand looks ridiculously strong with the double flat on the turn. I think I should have clicked it back to $575-$600 and then lead the river, where I anticipate a fold.
I `m afraid your hands looks ridiculously strong whatever you do on turn.
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01-23-2018 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Purasevic
I `m afraid your hands looks ridiculously strong whatever you do on turn.
Pretty much, which is why I started this thread haha.
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04-19-2018 , 05:27 PM
Once the turn lead bettor has folded, I think you need to raise back.

Raising might even convince him you have just a 3, but at a minimum more credibly represents a weak boat that needs some protection rather than top boat.

I believe it's the best shot at getting another bet from a stubborn 3XXX, rather than hoping he boats, because even if he does he should often check back rivers.

It also gets hands like 99 and probably A3 to jam now, which can be important when a terrible river card comes for those hands. It also gets max action from quad 3s, but oh well.

And even if 99/A3 *don't* jam, it's important to build the pot now to make it harder to hero fold river even on bad runouts.

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As played... if you flat you need to lead all rivers because any reasonable player will check back a ton of hands.

Last edited by chalupa; 04-19-2018 at 05:32 PM.
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04-23-2018 , 12:10 PM
I think this is a tough spot to max value. How deep is the Villain that raises?
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04-26-2018 , 12:31 AM
Don't raise river.

Turn isn't even a question.

Maybe fold river.

Also, preflop raising would have been fine, you just have to x/f a lot.

Okay I read results. I'm not sure what value you think you were going to get by raising. He was just bluffing or "finding out where he's at", so just give him a chance to do something silly.
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