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06-22-2021 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Both villains have around 2K and are unknown.

Flop:
Hero checks, BB checks, V1 bets 100, V2 raises to 450, folds back to hero…
This is an interesting hand that is close, as all good hands are. The OP described the Villains, but guess what, we need a description of the BB.

I saved this point in my back pocket hoping one of the Omaha high low lurkers would join into the conversation since Omaha high low players understand quartering a lot better since it happens so often in their game. I even called out the two most vocal posters saying continue on the flop and asked them to comment on quartering, but they mostly have avoided the issue of quartering. Ready for the reveal?

Getting quartered 3-handed has Hero losing money. Getting quartered 4-handed has Hero breaking even.

I've already stated that especially with that much money left behind that I think the flop is a fold. But for all of you wanting to continue on the flop, you better pray the BB continues too. Which bring up the point that as Hero, if you continue on the flop, you definitely don't want to raise the flop and have the BB fold.

Last edited by ladybruin; 06-22-2021 at 09:19 AM.
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06-22-2021 , 01:31 PM
Calling correctly is the act of putting money in badly but less badly than folding away our share of the existing pot.

If we have more than 33% equity and call, that's a mistake.

If we have 33% equity, our share of the $50 pot is $16.67. On three way action we're indifferent between calling and raising as we break even on the fresh money going into the pot.

If we have 32% equity, our share of the $50 pot is $16. On three way action of $450, we're paying (3*450*0.32)-450=$18 to keep our $16 pot share. This is a mistake as it's cheaper to surrender the $16 by folding.

The pot is so small that our window for calling correctly is less than 1% equity. That's why it's a fold.
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06-23-2021 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
This is an interesting hand that is close, as all good hands are. The OP described the Villains, but guess what, we need a description of the BB.

I saved this point in my back pocket hoping one of the Omaha high low lurkers would join into the conversation since Omaha high low players understand quartering a lot better since it happens so often in their game. I even called out the two most vocal posters saying continue on the flop and asked them to comment on quartering, but they mostly have avoided the issue of quartering. Ready for the reveal?

Getting quartered 3-handed has Hero losing money. Getting quartered 4-handed has Hero breaking even.

I've already stated that especially with that much money left behind that I think the flop is a fold. But for all of you wanting to continue on the flop, you better pray the BB continues too. Which bring up the point that as Hero, if you continue on the flop, you definitely don't want to raise the flop and have the BB fold.
Quartering mostly happens w Lows A2 A3 etc in hilo variants.

Its not as much of an issue here bc of our nut wrap.

The value comes from both villains having sets w no blockers and were a massive favorite in half the pot. We would actually be chopping UP the lower or losing set.

Theres even a chance we get a full double if it goes 4 ways and scoop half the pot.

Theres actually little chance we chop w our wrap.

Last edited by Bohemianwrapsody; 06-23-2021 at 02:47 PM. Reason: Chopping UP
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06-23-2021 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Munga30
Calling correctly is the act of putting money in badly but less badly than folding away our share of the existing pot.

If we have more than 33% equity and call, that's a mistake.

If we have 33% equity, our share of the $50 pot is $16.67. On three way action we're indifferent between calling and raising as we break even on the fresh money going into the pot.

If we have 32% equity, our share of the $50 pot is $16. On three way action of $450, we're paying (3*450*0.32)-450=$18 to keep our $16 pot share. This is a mistake as it's cheaper to surrender the $16 by folding.

The pot is so small that our window for calling correctly is less than 1% equity. That's why it's a fold.
Agree but what about when we have 35% or 37 or maybe even 40% we agree we can start calling then right? And if we know more about villains we might even have more equity
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06-23-2021 , 02:59 PM
I will say that i agree w lady bruin’s sentiment though.. and ill go as far to say i wouldnt ever play bomb pots unless it was to appease a vip or something. Talk about killing any skill edge.
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06-26-2021 , 06:13 PM
I agree with LB that the smart play is a fold here. If it were heads up, I'd call all day, but 3 players really puts you in a bad spot, where your "made" hand is still drawing against a lot of other hands to stay best, and you wrap could very well be splitting if you hit. The one thing we have going for us is a lot of the straight draw cards are dead on the top, but this also means someone who has a straight draw on the top has a solid hand on the bottom.

If we had top set on the top and wrap on the bottom, I'd be getting money in as fast as possible. If I had the nut flush draw on the top, I'd be piling it in. If I had even a generous chance of getting a straight on the top I'd pile on as well.

I'd be happy to see a turn cheap, but that does not look like its happening.


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Originally Posted by Bohemianwrapsody
I will say that i agree w lady bruin’s sentiment though.. and ill go as far to say i wouldnt ever play bomb pots unless it was to appease a vip or something. Talk about killing any skill edge.

Bomb pots are almost always the most profitable hands to play in my experience, by a long shot, at least double-board bomb pots. But even single board, players don't know how to play bad hands well nor adjust to massive multiway flops very easily.
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06-26-2021 , 08:51 PM
This isn’t a bomb pot, but agree that they are by far the most profitable hands. People will pour in hundreds of BB getting free rolled
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06-27-2021 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bohemianwrapsody
Quartering mostly happens w Lows A2 A3 etc in hilo variants.

Its not as much of an issue here bc of our nut wrap.

The value comes from both villains having sets w no blockers and were a massive favorite in half the pot. We would actually be chopping UP the lower or losing set.

Theres even a chance we get a full double if it goes 4 ways and scoop half the pot.

Theres actually little chance we chop w our wrap.
Of course it's an issue here, there can be many people with the same straights. What do you think people are piling money in here with? We do have a significant chance we hit our wrap and lose given we have to dodge flushes (people playing 2 boards accidentally end up with flushes on the other board more often) and dodge board pairs (people with shitty 2 pair accidentally end up with boats a lot if they are strong on the other board).

We are rarely in great shape here and often in awful shape.
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