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10-08-2017 , 09:25 PM
Hero has about 600. Villain covers. Villain sat down about an hour ago, seems pretty straightforward, hasn't got out of line.

Villain in mp makes it 15 to go. I get 88A4 (Ad8d) in big blind. 5 ways to the flop.

Flop is 78Q rainbow. I check, villain bets 60 into pot of 75. One caller.

What is hero's play?
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10-09-2017 , 12:09 AM
If villain is opening a reasonable range, c-betting a reasonable % of that given that it's five-way, and then stacking off with a reasonable part of that, you are in pretty meh shape against that stack-off range (below 40% equity), so I'd start with a call and go from there.
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10-09-2017 , 08:44 AM
I'm newish to propoker tools and adding ranges. Basically I plugged in some hands that villain might have, and put them against mine on that board, and got 20% equity against his range.

I put in qq, 9tjq, aa9t, aa77, kk77, q8t9, 9tja, 9tjk. AA9t probably wouldn't make that play but I included it anyway since I don't really know villain.

Does that seem like a reasonable range? Thanks
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10-09-2017 , 09:04 AM
You'd want to look at the union of a preflop range and postflop hands. That makes it a lot simpler than having to list lots of four-card combos. For example 20%:(QQ,88,77, JT9 ... all the rest of the range here). I used PJ first-in ranges instead of '20%' though.

20% equity is quite a bit too low but yeah you're not in good shape against a bet/continue range from a straightforward player in a five-way pot here.

Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 10-09-2017 at 09:09 AM.
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10-09-2017 , 10:51 AM
20% that villain opens from MP should have less QQs than software’s top 20%. And he might check some of the QQs with every other player left to act. I’d be surprised if we had less than 35% versus the gii range. Don’t forget We’ll get folds aswell, there is quite a bit of money in the pot already. Also mistakes will be made on the turn and river if we call oop.

I can always make up reasons to raise.

Joking aside, i’d raise here for sure.
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10-09-2017 , 12:15 PM
So our plan is to call and hope for the 8/7 board pair or a 3/2 of the suit not on the board ... and what do we want to do the other ~88% of the time on the turn? x/f?
Maybe be agro. and x/c when the 3/2 of a suit on the board, and super maybe if the Q hits.

If we aren't raising here I'd rather just fold pre.
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10-09-2017 , 01:14 PM
^ 88%? All but a quarter or so of turns are jams. More if there's a diamond on board. Jamming should be +several bb in EV but calling should be better. Shouldn't overlook the effect of it being five-way otf.
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10-09-2017 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
^ 88%? All but a quarter or so of turns are jams. More if there's a diamond on board.
Flop is: Q87

Turns that make a straight: 4569TJ (24)
Turns that give higher sets: KA (4-8)
Turns that turns two pair into better FH: Q (1-3)
Turns that give a flush draw we don't have: 23 (4/6)

That leaves: 2378 (6-8)

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Jamming should be +several bb in EV but calling should be better.
If we call flop then turn SPR will be ~2, and we'll be OOP. So where is the extra EV coming from?

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Shouldn't overlook the effect of it being five-way otf.
The action on the flop is confusing, are we closing the action if we call or are the two extra people who saw the flop acting after us? 3 way to the turn makes T/6 less likely to be bad, but certainly I'd expect most JT9 to play this way from either player so they still aren't good.

Last edited by illiterat; 10-09-2017 at 03:30 PM.
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10-09-2017 , 04:13 PM
Looking at it, 6, 9-J are the bad turns (I'll amend a quarter to a third). The rest are at least fine. A queen is pretty awesome, as well.

Being OOP at a 2 SPR isn't that bad. EV is coming from not treating your hand as functionally equivalent to a semibluff (35-40% ish equity against stackoffs, much EV coming from folds), when missing out on the main thing that makes that viable with actual semibluffs (equity against stackoffs not being much lower than equity against overall ranges).

Hero is closing the action.

Edit: This also seems to be live full ring or something. Paging SolarAU.

Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 10-09-2017 at 04:31 PM.
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10-09-2017 , 09:07 PM
Live full ring. One player in ep who had checked is to my left. Then the preflop raiser, then the next caller.
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