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09-01-2018 , 10:17 PM

max_potter

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 17

Hi everyone,

It s a 5-5 game.
Villain 1 and 2 are a bit on tilt because they lost a lot of money tonite but they know how to play. As they are a bit on tilt, they play looser.
We have all 1000e in front of us.

I raise 20e UTG with Ac As Tc 3h, villain 1 raise 50, villain 2 call 50 and I 4-bet to 200, both call.
Pot: 600.

Flop: 699r

I am first to act, what do we do?

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09-05-2018 , 04:38 PM

dwb3

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Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 291

I'm probably leading a bit over 1/3 pot and evaluating. If you think theres 0 percent chance you get atleast 1 fold you can check call or fold

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09-05-2018 , 09:01 PM

Purasevic

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1/3pot is fine.Probably stack off against 1 player.

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09-06-2018 , 06:16 AM

BDHarrison

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This might possibly depend a bit on your table image and if you have a backdoor flush draw. Do they think you only have AAxx here or do they think you have a decent number of rundowns in your range? Also, when you say your opponents play looser, do they just call with a wider range than usual or also raise with a wider range than usual?

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09-06-2018 , 08:31 AM

e1cnr

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Originally Posted by max_potter

Flop: 699r

I am first to act, what do we do?

lose to whoever has a 9....

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09-06-2018 , 09:05 AM

Alpha Fish

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I probably just c/f here

to stack off I'm going to need a special reason far beyond "slightly on tilt", at least vs my population

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09-06-2018 , 10:16 PM

endodocdc

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4 bet pre is bad if you only do it with AAXX.
Your flop SPR is low. Any bet kind of commits you. So plan on betting 200 and gii vs villain 1. But can safely find a fold if you bet and villain 1 raises and villain 2 flats the 3bet.

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09-10-2018 , 06:37 AM

max_potter

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Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 17

Results: I bet 280.

Villain 1 fold and Villain 2 goes all in for 800.

I tank folded.

Despite that he could have many 9, he would have jammed with 78xx so I should have called because of the small SPR.

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09-10-2018 , 06:42 AM

max_potter

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Originally Posted by BDHarrison

They think I only have KK - AA here.
And they call with a wider range, they do not raise more.

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09-10-2018 , 04:28 PM

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MixedGamesMastery

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Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 2

I check/fold here, but saying that makes me feel like we might be exploitable. However, the pot is multi way and unfortunately its crap flop. I guess we just check/fold.

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09-10-2018 , 05:33 PM

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endodocdc

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Originally Posted by MixedGamesMastery

I check/fold here, but saying that makes me feel like we might be exploitable. However, the pot is multi way and unfortunately its crap flop. I guess we just check/fold.

Paired boards are amongst the best flops to have with AA. Playing Against two villains is the best form of multiway we can have

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10-07-2018 , 06:17 PM

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lawlruschang

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Originally Posted by MixedGamesMastery

I check/fold here, but saying that makes me feel like we might be exploitable. However, the pot is multi way and unfortunately its crap flop. I guess we just check/fold.

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10-11-2018 , 05:07 PM

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nypoker1234

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Originally Posted by endodocdc

Paired boards are amongst the best flops to have with AA. Playing Against two villains is the best form of multiway we can have

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this is omaha. two opponents. 8 cards. that's like >15% of the deck you're up against (or is my math off).

I think Limon said one Omaha hand is the equivalent of like 3 or 4 hold'em hands. So going against two opponents (on paired board w. AA) is like going up against a 7 handed or 9 handed. And don't even think about adding another 4th opponent because then you're AA on paired board is like going up a 12 handed NL game (lol)

I'll look for the youtube video but I'm pretty sure if you search "Limon playing aces in PLO" something of that nature should come up

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10-11-2018 , 05:43 PM

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Loctus

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Originally Posted by nypoker1234

While this is true as far as hand combos go, it doesn't magically make cards appear out of thin air. If you're up against one player he still just has four cards in his hand. If you're up against two, that's eight cards. Not 14 or 18.

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10-11-2018 , 06:01 PM

#15

PokerPlayingGamble

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close your eyes and bet pot

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10-12-2018 , 02:44 AM

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Zajebisty

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Lol at check folding. If you dont cbet on this flop with aces what kind of flop do you bet on?

You played it perfectly. In most cases if villain has 9 they will raise. Otherwise they will fold. Simple. If they are good enough to bluff you gotta give it to them. Half pot or just under is perfect cbet size.

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