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Old 02-01-2019, 03:39 PM   #1
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Thumbs up 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

No hand history, going off recent memory.

Online 6-Max PLO400. Currently 3-handed.

STACKS:

Hero(SB) 400
Rec(BB) 250
Villain(BTN) 400


PRE:

Villain(BTN) raises to 8
Hero(SB) re-raises to 28 w/ AT78
(BB) folds. Villain calls. POT (60)

FLOP:

JJ9

Hero(SB) bets 20 into 60.
Villain(BB) calls. POT (100)


TURN:

JJ9K

Hero(SB)...?



READS: Villain(BTN) is a very good, thinking player. His standard is to raise 2x pre except when he is in the SB vs BB, he will 3x from the SB. Villain usually 8+tables, but I only saw him/her on 4, fwiw.

I was pretty much lost on the flop and turn. Does our hand play better as a check call on the flop? And does it matter if we cap our range by checking the flop? Turn play was also difficult for me to play.

Thinking back on the hand, I really dislike inflating the pot with such a marginal draw on a paired board. Everything that I hit will be non nut.


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Old 02-02-2019, 12:09 AM   #2
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

Jj9 isn’t the best board for you so idk if the 1/3 pot is really a thing here w your range on this texture.
Anyway as played I think it’s gotta be a bet. You have Jx and kk and some 99 combos. I think something like 75% should get some folds and you have some outs vs the jx in his range. He also shouldn’t be feeling so hot about calling a larger sizing w some of his drawy parts of his range.
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Old 02-02-2019, 01:59 PM   #3
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

I like the flop bet only because you block continuing ranges (clubs, rundowns with J in it). If you get called with the flop bet, definitely check it down even if you hit the straight or flush, as any type of calling range should have you in pretty bad shape.
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Old 02-03-2019, 03:54 PM   #4
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

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I like the flop bet only because you block continuing ranges (clubs, rundowns with J in it). If you get called with the flop bet, definitely check it down even if you hit the straight or flush, as any type of calling range should have you in pretty bad shape.
Button has to peel a TON of hands getting 4:1 on the flop.
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Old 02-03-2019, 04:50 PM   #5
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

Is it bad to 3-bet here if you are afraid the villain will own you, unless you flop the near nuts?
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Old 02-03-2019, 04:54 PM   #6
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

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Jj9 isn’t the best board for you so idk if the 1/3 pot is really a thing here w your range on this texture.
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Button has to peel a TON of hands getting 4:1 on the flop.
Looks like we should at least consider a second barrel especially if I am betting so small on the flop which gives villain a reason to stic k around. Even though it is a paired flop, maybe I should size up at least to 1/2 pot on the flop on this wetter texture?
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Old 02-03-2019, 05:01 PM   #7
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

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Is it bad to 3-bet here if you are afraid the villain will own you, unless you flop the near nuts?
Look at plo matrix to stop clicking buttons pf
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Old 02-03-2019, 05:50 PM   #8
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

Umm what does the plo pre-flop matrix(I don't know what that is)say about what happens when the flop comes and you still have 85% of your stack to play with somebody who may outplay you in position?
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Old 02-03-2019, 08:29 PM   #9
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

If it’s your opponent out playing you post flop that’s the concern there’s monker solver for that.
Your post was about pf and whether it’s a 3b. And I referred you to a resource that will provide some clarity to your question.
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Old 02-03-2019, 10:07 PM   #10
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

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If itís your opponent out playing you post flop thatís the concern thereís monker solver for that.
Your post was about pf and whether itís a 3b. And I referred you to a resource that will provide some clarity to your question.
Have you beat live games against good players?
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Old 02-03-2019, 10:46 PM   #11
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

Rofl tough live plo players yea ok thereís tons of those guys floating around
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Old 02-04-2019, 01:19 AM   #12
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

Without your monkey and matrix you may be lost.
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:23 AM   #13
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

Ignorance is bliss
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:46 PM   #14
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

In game, I check folded to a bet on the turn but it felt kind of weak and I wondered if I would have any bluffs by the river if I folded this hand.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:32 AM   #15
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

I think you're leveling yourself. You don't need to have a bluffing range on the river out of position heads up on a paired board with non-nut draws on the turn. Just give this one up, and move on to the next hand.

You should, however, have a x/calling range on the turn. That will prevent you from being exploited. I could be wrong, but I think a good x/calling range would be any J, Acc, JKK, QT
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:55 AM   #16
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

Check call flop.....as played, I check fold turn... I also suggest studying pre flop spots.
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Old 02-19-2019, 03:30 PM   #17
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

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No hand history, going off recent memory.

Online 6-Max PLO400. Currently 3-handed.

STACKS:

Hero(SB) 400
Rec(BB) 250
Villain(BTN) 400


PRE:

Villain(BTN) raises to 8
Hero(SB) re-raises to 28 w/ AT78
(BB) folds. Villain calls. POT (60)

FLOP:

JJ9

Hero(SB) bets 20 into 60.
Villain(BB) calls. POT (100)


TURN:

JJ9K

Hero(SB)...?



READS: Villain(BTN) is a very good, thinking player. His standard is to raise 2x pre except when he is in the SB vs BB, he will 3x from the SB. Villain usually 8+tables, but I only saw him/her on 4, fwiw.

I was pretty much lost on the flop and turn. Does our hand play better as a check call on the flop? And does it matter if we cap our range by checking the flop? Turn play was also difficult for me to play.

Thinking back on the hand, I really dislike inflating the pot with such a marginal draw on a paired board. Everything that I hit will be non nut.


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jjx on the flop, you 3 bet pf. what is ur range of 3 bet, any2 or 5% or less?
as played 2 barrel turn you can have jkxx or jxxx or kk in your range no ?

if he is aggressive when I miss cbet I prefer check raise flop.
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Old 02-26-2019, 07:36 AM   #18
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Re: 6-Max PLO400. Unsure Post Flop.

Preflop is a 100% 3bet, flop is mixed, and 1/3 is standard sizing. I think checking can make things a bit easier.

Both of us have similar amounts of KK (he has a little more since we don't cbet all but he calls almost all on flop), we have maybe some more Jx since he didn't raise, but I would say not enough to matter. As such, turn double barrel frequency is probably not huge, and I don't think we have the right blockers for a turn barrel; if anything we block stuff that he'd peel fold. I'd just give up.
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