Can anyone provide a good argument for choosing another bet size other than pot in plo if your going to bet. I have heard peoples reasons and none of them make more sense than my arguments for always betting pot. I understand changing your bet so you can bluff river for a decent sizing if betting pot on turn would make your river bet insignificant but any good reasons other than that? I’m interested

Yes, I can. But I won't.

i love playing against people who only bet pot
i hope more people take your advice

You make fun but I haven’t heard your arguments for another sizing. If you give one I will provide my counter argument.

Are your counter arguments going to include ev? You can set a solver to use certain bet sizes and it will give you a "solver approved" result. You can then set the solver to use different bet sizes and again, based on those bet sizes the solver will give you a "solver approved" result. But the results of certain sizes might produce a better result. Without talking ev it is a bit silly and nothing more than a circle jerk about which bet size in a given situation is better.

Furthermore, most humans don't play anywhere near optimally anyway, so this topic is a bit meaningless. If you want to play with only a pot bet size and most importantly it is a "solver approved" strategy, then more power to you.

I don’t care what solvers say because full ring live plo is far from a solved game. A solver can’t calculate the psychological impacts of a pot sized bet or figure out which kind of player is more likely to call your pot sized bet.

Countdown to circle jerk.

If you already know everything, joining a forum doesn't make a lot of sense.

I’m a poker coach who has a class once a week, I definitely don’t know everything but I joined primarily to give hand review advice.

How much you charge for coaching?

50 an hour for private and 20 per class

As a doctor, I charge less for killing people during nightshifts

agreed and i've never used a solver in my life.it's a complete mistake to try and play gto in live plo since while you don't get exploited (by people who aren't even capable of doing so anyway) you also leave a lot of money on the table. with that said always betting pot is atrocious.

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I honestlly think it depends on the field. if the field is not targeting you are the guy who always bets pot then u are g2g. but most field and higher stakes will just destroy it IMO

Cincy, I'll play ball....

In the exploitative game I play, I have opponents who think themselves so smart, that a tiny bet looks SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much stronger than a pot bet that I know I can get them to fold to my bluffs more frequently with a small bet versus a bit bet.

Then I also play against opponents who treat bet sizing as a function of hand strength, so read a smaller bet as a weaker hand and will call more to those than to a pot bet, which they always equate to the nuts or near-nuts.

I forget where I got this advice, might have been Andrew Brokos' Thinking Poker blog or podcast: The optimal bet is the one that gives your opponent the most frustration but still produces the result (fold/call) that you want. If you don't modulate your bet sizes, you can't possibly extract the thinnest of value or profitably reduce the risk on your bluffs

BTW: if you are really writing a book, and your only bet sizes are pot v nothing, stop writing now.