6-Max PLO400 Blinds 2/4

Hero: 890
Villain 1: 464
Villain 2: 234

Hero's Hand: K8K25

Preflop: UTG 8, CO(Villain 1) calls, SB(Villain 2) calls, Hero calls.

(POT = 32) Flop: KJ4

SB checks, Hero bets pot 32, CO(Villain 1) calls 32, SB(Villain 2) C/R pot 160. Hero???

Jam now? Wait until a non club turn?


If we put Villain 1 on a combo draw and Villain 2 on set, we are flipping on the flop against Villain 1 and sharing Villain 2's money.

If we call and get it in on a blank turn, we can get near a 65/35 in our favor vs Villain 1.

Clubs are easier to play since we can check fold as our equity will be too low to continue, but will we make the correct decision on a non club 9, T, Q, or A or do we risk giving free cards?


Your thoughts?

We can debate flop sizing or even checking, but I usually just go big here.

Jam now for sure. Try to push V1 out of the pot. There are plenty of hands you push him off of that would have a lot of equity against you if you allowed him in for the cheaper price.

ya don't see why this isn't a jam. your logic is weird... you almost get direct odds to call on scare cards OTT if you call OTF with how big the pot is and how short everyone is... so I don't see how you save $ there... Plus if v2 is not drawing isn't it best to get v1 out of the hand or charge the maximum??? you just lose $300 if the board pairs on the turn... what about the non nut draws he just folds when you shove and you gain all that equity.

Because I know their hands, might as well let everyone in on it too because that is coloring the way I am approaching this hand.

Maybe my logic is bad so right now I am looking for suggestions to improve.


CO(Villain 1) had AQQ92::

SB(Villain 2) had AJJK4

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

561 trials (Exhaustive)

board: kj4

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcQcQs9d2d	45.99%	255	6
Kd8dKs2h5h	47.42%	266	0
AsJhJdKh4h	6.60%	34	6

People were playing pretty straight forward in multiway pots so I felt I was close to what type of hands they might have.


On a blank turn that doesn't complete the flush or straight our equity increases to:

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

33 trials (Exhaustive)

board: kj48

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcQcQs9d2d	30.30%	10	0
Kd8dKs2h5h	66.67%	22	0
AsJhJdKh4h	3.03%	1	0

If a club comes:

ProPokerTools 5-Card Omaha Hi Simulation

33 trials (Exhaustive)

board: kj48

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AcQcQs9d2d	84.85%	28	0
Kd8dKs2h5h	12.12%	4	0
AsJhJdKh4h	3.03%	1	0

What I am asking is it correct when equities run close on the flop to wait until the turn and see the equity shift and then make our decision to bet?

Standard jam given the stack sizes. Stacks need to be deeper and v1 needs to demonstrate more strength for you to consider alternative lines.

I like what your thinking and how your approaching situations like these as it’s something a lot of people don’t do but you need to be very careful about overcomplicating things to the point where you miss obvious things that are very important.

You assume villain is never folding, you assume he’s way stronger given how the hand played then he should always be, your assuming a lot when you pick specific hands and are sure about what’s going to happen when none of these things can be certain. You didn’t consider board pairing in your simulations at all and you assumed v2 had middle set instead of possibly a draw which can’t be 100%. If you cherrypick every decision to be a certain way you can justify any action.

I went ahead and jammed the flop, but when I saw the club on the turn I knew I was drawing thin and that's what lead me to this discussion. Maybe stacks seem to be a bit too shallow to do anything else on the flop. Also, I agree I am cherry picking the hands I am up against and I should be putting villain on ranges instead.

47.5% 3 ways is a great spot. Don't try to avoid variance when you can't.

Massive fold pre. Your hand is extremely weak and one-dimensional.

Ok, maybe completing from BB is unavoidable, but fold from all other positions.