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PLO100 - facing turn and river barrels OOP w/ a straight on 3flush board PLO100 - facing turn and river barrels OOP w/ a straight on 3flush board

04-09-2017 , 09:59 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37700220

    BTN: $97.16 (194.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): $54.84 (109.7 bb)
    BB: $49.77 (99.5 bb)
    UTG: $74.59 (149.2 bb)
    MP: $55.64 (111.3 bb)
    CO: $140.85 (281.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with T 9 A K
    3 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $4.50, BTN calls $3.50

    Flop: ($15) Q K 2 (3 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($15) J (3 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $14.25, Hero calls $14.25, BB folds

    River: ($43.50) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $24.50, Hero ???




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    Hi!

    Villain is unknown playing 45/17 over 11 hands.
    Seems a bit odd that he is potting turn after c/ flop, I usually don't see unknowns potting for value w/ T and Jhigh flushes (although they can).
    Is turn a standard call?
    What about river?

    Thanks!
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    04-09-2017 , 10:34 AM
    Turn is standard. Assuming he is being tricky with a flush here a lot of the time. Bluffs would be betting the flop more than non bluffs. I like check folding his really sick value bet on river. Just don't see us profiting long term by calling here and even we are getting bluffed some of the time, we're losing over long run if we call here. I think we start calling with most of our small flushes but not our straights

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    04-09-2017 , 10:35 AM
    Then again, we may be leading with our flushes on turn. I actually like leading turn because you basically turned your hand face up when you checked. I.e telling him you don't have a flush

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    04-09-2017 , 10:36 AM
    Opens yourself up to getting bluffed more often on rivers...As played it's still a fold though

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    04-09-2017 , 04:32 PM
    I probably fold to the river bet as I think he likely has a flush he's happy to get two streets of value from but not 3
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    04-09-2017 , 04:58 PM
    I think your turn calling range here ought to be limited to flushes, sets, and 2 pair/straights with the J or T of hearts. Maybe you can add straights with no heart that also have 2 pair. This hand is just way too weak to call full pot 3 ways.
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    04-09-2017 , 06:38 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Adebisi
    I think your turn calling range here ought to be limited to flushes, sets, and 2 pair/straights with the J or T of hearts. Maybe you can add straights with no heart that also have 2 pair. This hand is just way too weak to call full pot 3 ways.
    i tend to agree with this, however i have 2 questions: shouldn't BTN be betting super wide as it got checked to him twice? do you still fold if we were closing the action and BB folded?
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    04-09-2017 , 07:10 PM
    I would want exactly the Th in my hand if I was going to bluffcatch turn/river with a bare straight here, I think without it you are burning money calling the turn to reevaluate the river.

    We can probably eliminate J high flush from BTN range (we are capped on flop and BB is going to have alot of low DS rundowns so I expect BTN to go for 3 streets) but I don't think BTN is going to go for 2 streets with a 9high FD and would expect him to check it back on river when we call on the turn, but he would go for 2 streets with a Th FD since we are capped again on turn and that's why I wouldn't want a Jh.
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    04-09-2017 , 07:39 PM
    I don't think button should bet super wide here. Personally, as sb here, I'm c-betting this with a smallish sizing and a reasonably high frequency. BB hits a fair amount of marginal hands on this board that are forced to fold vs. a small cbet with a player to act behind, and button has a ton of hands that miss this board entirely. So my checking range is particularly heavy in sets and weak flushes, plus 2 pair and turned straights (some of which have a relevant heart blocker). On the turn, bb should be the one betting widest, so his range should be pretty heavy in bluffcatchers once he checks as well.

    I still fold this if I close the action on the turn (I call vs. a more standard 2/3 pot sizing) because I never expect him to check back blank rivers after mashing pot and getting flatted. I want to have a call/turn, call/blank river range that consists of some portion of my medium/biggish flushes, and a lot of my lone J/T of hearts hands that beat all bluffs. For my call/turn, fold/blank river range I want to have hands that have some equity vs. what he's repping, and a few small/medium flushes that I intend to donk jam on board pairs and check/call when a fourth heart hits.
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    04-09-2017 , 09:59 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gillingham
    I probably fold to the river bet as I think he likely has a flush he's happy to get two streets of value from but not 3
    Don't we need to call river if we think we are ahead on the turn???
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    04-10-2017 , 05:26 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
    Don't we need to call river if we think we are ahead on the turn???
    welcome to my ignore list, sub zero troll
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    04-10-2017 , 05:46 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DickeLatte
    welcome to my ignore list, sub zero troll
    +1
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    04-23-2017 , 05:41 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
    Don't we need to call river if we think we are ahead on the turn???
    Maybe... Not sure but I'm nitting up rivers unless I have a specific read

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    04-24-2017 , 07:09 PM
    I was being sarcastic because that seems to be the general thought process of many posters.
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