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01-13-2012 , 11:07 AM
5/5 plo private game that plays pretty deep with lots of straddles/restraddles and lots of humongous degens

Hero: $3k
Original Raiser: $1.5k
Villain: $5k

Hero is in BB, Villain straddles, and another guy restraddles to $20

Very, very tight player opens to $60 from cutoff. Two cold calls.

Hero calls with: 6657

Villain calls and restraddler calls.

Flop: A63

Hero checks(should i just bet out here? was slightly worried about original nit having aces, yes, he is that tight) and the hand checks through

Turn: A632

Hero Bets $315, Villain raises to $1,050, Hero Calls

River: A63210

Hero???

What do you guys do here? I am 100% sure that villain turned nutstraight. I feel like turn is still a call for me with such a huge hand. I obviously vbet the board pairs and the gutterball if i bink one of those but I was kind of lost as what to do with this river. I feel like I almost always have the best hand on this river but I was recently in a similar spot where my set turned into a backdoored small flush and I valuetowned myself pretty hard.

Really just curious to see what people's standard river line would be here.

Villain is a rich donk who makes some crying calls but will probably never try to turn his hand into a bluff on this river against me
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01-13-2012 , 11:35 AM
make a smallish bet on the river- like 30-40% pot.
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01-13-2012 , 01:18 PM
typically you could check/eval (mostly fold) here. You could also block it. I've seen live games where you could bet 500 here and get away with it.

I'd make my decision on the table and not off it.
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01-13-2012 , 03:44 PM
Easy valuebet imo.. Don't bet too big though.
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01-13-2012 , 04:45 PM
You only have 1900 left and pot is 2500? If he makes crying calls just pot it. Or if you think he'll fold alot then bet half your stack.
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01-13-2012 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by pkrtxs
Villain is a rich donk who makes some crying calls but will probably never try to turn his hand into a bluff on this river against me
so its an easy v-bet, smth like 1k
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01-13-2012 , 07:41 PM
well if you had 45 it'd be a great spot to just flat and then jam board pairs/flush cards to get him off a chop sooooooooooooo
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01-13-2012 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by IMonkeyTiltsoWhat
so its an easy v-bet, smth like 1k
Based on the villain, I think its a bet also, but I would bet the whole 1900. If he makes a lot of crying calls then this is the best bet imo. He might read a shove as more likely to be a bluff than a 1K bet.

Question though, if villain was a solid, competent opponent, would the turn be a fold since hitting our hand on the river will either make us a second best hand or a best hand thats unlikely to get paid off?
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01-14-2012 , 10:51 AM
F: i like Dbetting the flop for 3/4 pot, if the raiser is really that tight you can find a supertight fold if he raises on the flop und you can get a tone Value out of 45xx and Axxx.


T: For me bet/call is fine, river is oop quite easy to play when you put him on exactly 45xx, i've seen live-games where i would be keen to put it in as some crazy guys can make the raise here with all kinds of stuff (2P+FD, blockerbluff, worse sets ect.) and when your visability for the river is really bad.

R: i make a token bet for value like 300-500 and maaaaybe fold to a shove, allthough this depends on your reads ut i can't see him raising there without a higher flush and turning his 45xxinto a bluff is too much of an advanced play in that situation for him imo.
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01-14-2012 , 03:47 PM
Since you know he has a 4 and 5 in his hand, the chance of him having a higher flush is cut in half. So, I think u should assume u are good here and bet for value. As vil described, I think I would lead big to make it look bluffy: 2/3 pot or higher.
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01-14-2012 , 08:37 PM
allin (is stacks something like you have 80% of pot left back?) if it is more then you might wanna bet smaller...
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01-15-2012 , 12:19 AM
lead flop alot, would lead the times i feel if i raised i can easily play the hand. and if youre worried bout having AA it makes it amuch better leadspot.

some reason my spacebar isntworkingtoday
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01-15-2012 , 02:30 AM
if your read is right he'll never turn his hand into a bluff id bet/fold $900
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01-16-2012 , 01:05 PM
just put the rest in, zzzzzzzzzzzzz....

i've vb'ed like backdoored 4-high flushes, just put as much as you can in w bd'ed hands vs rich amateurs with defined hands, way more happy endings than sad ones
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01-17-2012 , 05:55 PM
i would bet and bet big
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01-17-2012 , 06:35 PM
Well, I checked the stack sizes and this is in fact a very easy ship.

ARR IN.
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01-17-2012 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeestein
just put the rest in, zzzzzzzzzzzzz....

i've vb'ed like backdoored 4-high flushes, just put as much as you can in w bd'ed hands vs rich amateurs with defined hands, way more happy endings than sad ones
tbh it's less if a backdoor type hand when all the action is on the turn

but yeah, still v-bet
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01-19-2012 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by praios
i would bet and bet big
Isildur is that you?

Id bet about 30% of pot on riv. A small bet on flop wouldn't have been bad, you probably would have been raised if nit had set of As
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