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5/5 PLO, AA on a paired board, SPR 3.5 after checking flop 5/5 PLO, AA on a paired board, SPR 3.5 after checking flop

08-23-2019 , 10:12 AM
Hero (SB): YWG, in for 1700$ and has 1000$ at the start of the hand. Hero has been fairly inactive and has been playing straightforward. Villain has seen me around the casino.
Villain (CO): 700$ Middle aged asain male, a reg at the casino and plays tight.
UTG: 250$ a guy who recently moved from the NLHE game to the PLO game, seems to be a PLO fish.

The hand is in the last 10 mins of the day, so people play a bit more hands then they should from my experience.

OTTH: UTG opens to 20$, Villain calls and I look down at A57A pot it in the SB to 85$ (hoping UTG rips it in or going heads-up vs UTG) UTG folds and villain calls.

Flop [195$]: 959 I decide to check, I do think betting small here is good/better without a club. During the hand I thought I did not want the bloat the pot incase villain holds a 9, however I think villain would play fairly straightup and raise most 9's on the flop making my hand a fairly easy fold incase i got raised. Villain checks back
Turn [195$]: 9598 I bet 135$ thinking villains picks up a good amount of draws on this hand and would bet a decent amount of 9+678 hands on the flop. Villain raises to 600$ going effectly all-in. Me..?
I think i put myself in a awful position playing the hand as a did, how could I have avoided getting in this position and what should I do now I am put in the position? Also should I put consideration in that this is one of the last hands of the day, and how would this possibly effect the villain here?
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08-23-2019 , 11:15 AM
I fold the turn vs. a tight reg. After checking the flop, I check/decide the turn -- that's a pretty bad card for us and a pretty good card for an MP limp/caller.

If you do bet the turn, it's a bet/fold.
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08-23-2019 , 03:35 PM
i don't bet literally the worst turn card for my range but if i do kinda have to b/f
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09-02-2019 , 06:43 AM
Standard spot in villains shoes with his whole range, your hand is face up, villain is not.
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09-04-2019 , 12:49 AM
I think checking flop is fine here, betting fine too. Once you check flop definitely check terrible turn card
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09-04-2019 , 01:09 AM
Given stated reads, fold I guess, although I think most hands containing 67 he would be somewhat unlikely to check back flop with but who knows. It kinda seems like he could have picked up a combo draw to me and be semibluffing knowing your made hand is likely AA at best given you rr pre and checked flop.

Flop I’d bet 90-110 on agree bet superior to check against a tight opponent on that board.
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09-04-2019 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
I think checking flop is fine here, betting fine too. Once you check flop definitely check terrible turn card


Disagree on checking turn giving flop check. I do agree check is fine but think in general against a tight relatively straightforward opponent bet on the smallish side is better.
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09-06-2019 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johankarlss1
Disagree on checking turn giving flop check. I do agree check is fine but think in general against a tight relatively straightforward opponent bet on the smallish side is better.
The problem with betting the turn is what are we really trying to rep ?
We never check a 9xxx here with flush/straight combos out vs 2 people so villains raise on the turn is so standard vs our weak line with any flushdraw since we can't continue with our range unless we slowplayed 95/55
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09-10-2019 , 12:17 PM
I don't know why people like to 3b AAxx with 2 low cards. It just gets you in a lot of trouble post flop. I would 3b this ds to the A or 2 cards higher 8 or higher but other then that I like to just see a flop. Those 2 low cards are usually no good post flop and your basically hoping a pair of As hold up. Tom Chambers talks about this all the time how shouldn't 3b these kind of hands, but I think almost every does it. It makes no sense. Now your in a bad spot flop. I would cb this flop and if it shoves I guess we have to call it off against a holdem noob. They will shove KK and QQxx type hands. But I think your problem is 3b this pre putting yourself in this spot op.

And if we see a flop multi its not end of the world we can hit a flush draw with AA or even better utg is still in with he AKT9 and we get one of those AK3 flops and our hand is super disguised. Now utg folds and your lost with some holdem noob not sure how he values his different ranges. I would have to bet call it off against a newbie on the flop. On the turn now we are lost and its a puke fold.
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09-10-2019 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
I think checking flop is fine here, betting fine too. Once you check flop definitely check terrible turn card
checking the flop here is definitely -ev. I don't see how thats fine without any explanation. If your scared the plo noob has a 9 thats pretty bad way to think about poker. You have to think about his entire range on that board not that he has 9 or 55. Its most likely he has some flush draw smaller over pair that hes gonna over play if we bet the flop. You want to play the AAxx to the turn with bad equity instead of on the flop? I guess your a wizard on the turn in these spots cause its a much tougher spot when our hand doesn't improve with much tougher turn decision.
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09-10-2019 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Travbana
The problem with betting the turn is what are we really trying to rep ?
We never check a 9xxx here with flush/straight combos out vs 2 people so villains raise on the turn is so standard vs our weak line with any flushdraw since we can't continue with our range unless we slowplayed 95/55
Ya this is also why checking the flop is a disaster and then deciding to bet the turn. Our value range is super narrow now. And it doesn't make sense to check flop and bet turn.
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09-10-2019 , 06:43 PM
I don't like the flop check either. Would bet/fold the flop probably. Also would probably c/f the turn.

I am interested in the idea of not betting AA(low)(low). I get doing that OOP multiway, but just three handed, assuming BTN opens appropriately widely I would think AAll is still so far ahead that we should 3b. Might have to research this.
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