The Ace is suited in the hand.
Wondering is this a standard 4 bet vs a loose aggro guy oop?
He is 3-betting me all day long this session, do we want to play a big pot with this hand vs. him oop?
We are both deep around 2,5k.

I think a spot like this will largely come down to how much you want to crank up the variance

A perk to calling the 3b is that it protects your 3b calling range and he'll probably try to barrell you off the hand on boards where you really dominate him, which won't be a thing if you 4b. If you 4b it's gonna be "well I have a pair and the nfd so I guess we're gonna like flip for 1000bb". Or your top 2+gutshot vs his bottom set, etc etc you know that kind of standard spots I'm talking about...

In a vaccuum 4b is probably more +EV than 3b is. But yeah..

4! Definitely and be pretty excited playing post flop in a massive pot vs a maniac

Flat all day for me vs opponent described.

So assuming no other callers, you open to 3.5 BB, he pots to 12 BB, you then 4B to 37.5 BB with 500 BB back. That would create an SPR of about 6.5 to 1

What range of hands will he defend with and how perfectly will he play is the question for how often you should do this and with what other types of hands. I like to do this with middling suited connectors because my image will be the high pairs and I’ll get surprising fold equity if unknown and my actual EV will be masked. My opponent will only be able to bluff flush or low straight boards effectively in that situation, until he figures out or manages to adjust to my wide 4Bs by chipping down or dumping in 300BB with top 10% hands and having a bankroll war he likely isn’t stacked for

If he 5B to ~110BB you can call and see a flop and find some potential profitable bluff spots as well.

Eg. Flop comes 789 with two of your suits I think you would have a profitable bluff and fold equity versus AAxx

That assumes he isn’t 5Bing you with a premium middling rundown which I love to do.

I think the honest answer is to cash out when you get super deep if you aren’t sitting on the left of another monster stack or if he is just terrible. Position is such a huge advantage in Omaha super deep and you have to be very trappy and risky still to get a LAG caught in a huge Omaha pot this deep. It’s rare to see

Yeah, I like to do this more than put me in tough spot oop, vs. this kind of aggro guys. My edge in livegame is playing a lot of smallball poker with position advantage vs. passiv/tight nits than put the variance on oop. Maybe is a leak and -EV in longrun and I had to be more aggressiv vs. this kind of guys...I changed the table in this session because of the fact this guy has position on me and piced me as a target..glad in my casino there are two PLO tables running..

Purely as described I would 4b this maybe 90%+ of the time. We're missing a lot of value as his range is so wide, and our positional disadvantage is mitigated by the fact we hit a lot of boards well enough to continue, flop a lot of the nuts or big nut draws or dominating hands (particularly because his 3b range will include a lot of Ax or Kx), and by putting us on AAxx, as it's our first 4b, he will likely try to push us off our hands on boards we crush from time to time.

If you'd described villain as 'good' that may ramp my %age down to maybe 50%. 'Very good' and it might go as low as 10%.

Extra factors to consider are whether you think you play better than your opponent in big pots - a lot, even lagtards, play far more straightforwardly than they do in small pots - and whether you handle tilt better than your opponent. If you think you do, then you should ramp up the variance for reciprocal tilt edge.

Lastly, we want to have an aggressive image ourselves and put people into the mindset of 'wait til I get a hand vs this guy' rather than be put into that mindset ourselves.

hi, pretty exited to make my first comment here, but english is not my first language, and im sorry for the spelling... first I assume that your opening ranges are sound. now, do you want villian to keep three betting you, with too weak holdings deep, maby even with speculative hands, others would fold ? I would say yes, and I would also say, that playing back pre, is letting him know, that you are on to him. keep this fact covered to him, as long as possible. it is probably a part of his strategy to float you, when you four bet and you see a flop without an ace. and then attack you on unconnected runouts, where you basically only have two random sidecards to fight back with. .. I suggest instead that you defend by keeping your opening range tight, and nutty. skip aq97 and t976 kjj8 , stuff that gets dominated.. know that waiting a bit longer for premiums, will not prevent you from getting nice action. try to figure out, how he proceeds post. is he aware of ranges and flop interaction, bet sizing ? usually you will get a good opportunity to develope a polarized turn check raise range, or another weapon, he is not prepared for. a counter pre, he will surely be ready for. when you do fourbet, let me suggest that you pick a hand he is not reading easily.. like 5577, tt98, or 4567. remember that he doesnt have aces very often, so you dont have to block them. those hands will often let you bet polar, in spots where he presumably has narrowed his range allot, but actually has almost 100 % of hands,... an example could be. 36t flop, you c bet half pot- he calls, with all of his range in pos, 8 on turn -you check and he bets large, repping a straight, but you know he has his hole range.. depending on your blockers, you should take it down about 80 % of the time with a solid raise.. in hes head you can only have aa, or the nuts..

No it isn’t a 4bet. You need double suits to 4bet non AA, AKK period. You don’t have much real equity edge so you need to have be able to stack off on more boards than him to make 4 bet profitable and that means double suits.

This hand makes a much nicer flat of a 3 bet especially if we can drag someone else in as we have some great nut potential.

You’ll destroy this player better by just playing correct ranges.

If there’s no one behind really we should just fold, but if you want to make an exploit based on his wild aggression then flatting is best.


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I would agree with that assessment if we had AAxx - where we hit far fewer boards - or if we were up against someone designated as 'good' rather than just aggro. As it stands, aggro might mean not being able to use his position as well as others, giving us free cards or getting it in more than he should.

Image and the fabled concept of momentum are important concepts live, and those play into my decision too. I don't want people 3betting me too much; flatting peoples 3bets invites them to do so more. If they see me 4betting without AAxx, it makes us much harder to play aginst in 4b pots, and villains will 3b you far less, and in general have a tougher time putting you on a range. In a GTO vacuum, these concepts are worth nothing; in a live game, they're important. As is reciprocal tilt equity, i.e. if you have the roll and handle bad beats & coolers etc better than your opponent, you should tend towards the higher variance line.

Other considerations to take into account: other people in the hand, how much he tends to reload for, does he sometimes quit when he wins or loses a big pot, beginning / middle / end of session, stuff like that.

Make a lot of sense Thanks @wazz
He is a regular who is buy in always very deep, deeper than everybody at the table. If he lost some money, he is instantly rebuy. He is playing very aggro if someone shows weakness and using position a lot to do that. Yesterday he left the table very quickly for some reason as he was up two buy ins. Maybe he is only very aggro, if he is down...
I have bluffed him sucessful in some marginal spots oop, where I could rep a ckeck/calling range. But yeah overall I will try to 4 bet more this guy, to show strenght and not let him do what ever he is trying to do.

if he's 3 betting a ton 4 bet his ass with this hand or leave the table

great post, i agree 100%.