Game in general has a lot of action and gamble. I'm learning PLO and play much tighter than everyone else. People have noticed a little, I'm not sure the extent to which they are adjusting yet.

I'm in the BB with 3 4 J T:cub:
4 limpers, I check.

Flop (6 players, $30 pot): 3 3 8
SB bets $30, I think for 3-4 seconds and call, folds around to the button who calls quickly.

Turn (3 players, $90 in the pot): 4
SB bets $75 in rhythm, I fold

Reads:

SB has noticed my tightness and commented on it. On one hand he'll read my flop call to mean my hand at least has a 3 in it. On the other hand maybe he thinks he can bluff me (although this is the world's worst bluffing board). He also is the type who splashes around a bit but when money starts going in he almost always turns over a hand.

Button is kind of a calling station with "good holdem hands." When he calls the flop but doesn't raise he very likely has a 3 but miiiight have like 8 + hearts.

Maybe this is a straightforward hand, but folding full houses is new to me.

When SB pots on the turn I think he has one of 88, 38, A3, or a if he's lost his mind a crazy man flush draw bluff. Since I think button probably has a 3 I jsut can't put SB on anything other than 88.

Or your flop call means you have a heart or he thinks you'll fold a single 3. Seems like a very losing fold. I'm not sure I've ever folded a full house (not saying there's not a time, I just haven't played enough to do so), let alone to a single bet on the turn. You're literally putting him on 3 combos of 88 and a single combo of 44.

Plenty of room to make hero folds with full houses sometimes, this is PLO!

OP for your overall game & strategy I believe it is pretty bad to fold here, sure some of the time villain has it and you're beat but there really aren't that many combos of better hands available, 83xx, 3 combos, 88xx, 3 combos, the unlikely 44xx, 1 combo, which you can compare to the many more 3xxx combos, & an unknown number of bluff combos or thin vbet combos like AAxx-QQxx W/ hearts etc.

If you're folding full houses here this makes you extremely exploitable in that villains can just bet and barrel you relentlessly putting intense pressure on the weaker hands you have in your range in this spot like weak overpairs or flush draws on this board for example.

Without a tonne of reads my go to would be call turn and river and make adjustments accordingly, i.e. see what he shows up with.

I don't mind the fold. I wish I folded hands like this more often. Seriously, with the reads, it's not such a bad idea. It is pretty tight, and I might peal one more for the price (what are stacks?), but this fold is fine. V never has to know what you folded. I'd be more inclined to call w/o another interested player.

I think the best would be fold on flop.There are 5 players in the pot and you have

3 with J kicker.Not very good bluffcatcher and it`s limp pot.Also when small blind leads

into 4 people this is more often at leat 83 full.Bluff combos or thin vbet like aa or qq

as mentioned above are non existing.Who is betting on 338 board into 4 players with

qq or aa?You can not find many good players to do that.As played turn fold is fine.

I think the small blind finds leads with a naked 3 most of the time, as well as 38 and 88. He also miiiiight lead with hearts+ (8 + hearts, KK + hearts, etc.).

I think without a third interested player the whole dynamic of the hand changes and I probably just get it in. But third player a) adds credibility to sb continuing on the turn and b) makes it harder to put sb on a naked 3 sincie button has a 3 a lot of the time

I'm not sure how you can say this is an action game with lots of gamble but try to put QQ, KK, AA in their range as played in a limped pot pre.

Meh, I mean it has to be discounted because of the non preflop raise. But different players play differently and in general the game plays very loose with different levels of aggression depending on the player.

Really bad fold on the turn, if you are a new player you should be focused on playing fundamentally sound, even with your table observations villain should never have a range advantage when you hit gin turn card

The question to ask is whether you do better to raise or call the turn

Good lord some of you play tight. I just don't think there's a lot of 5-5 live games where we are going to profitably fold this hand, especially short handed. If we aren't going to call down with 34xx on 3384 board, why would you ever play the hand?

We play the hand because we are in the BB and it was limped to us. Otherwise, we don't play the hand.

I'm pretty certain if I folded more of these under boats in specific situations such as this, my win rate would be higher.

Apsolutely agree.Although I think even turn is fold,the main question is why we are we calling flop?We didn`t put any cent in the pot,player leads

into 4 players and we have j3.There are much better spots for bluffcatching

that this in 5way limped pot.

I guess this hand, at very least, wasn't boring / standard.

I know I'm putting sb on a narrow range of hands, but I can't think of a reasonable range for him that I beat. I mean, I could be wrong, I'm just not convinced I have to stack off here.

Yes I turned the gin card, but I also got more information from SB's turn bet.

The hand played out with button calling the turn after 10-15 seconds of thought, SB betting $125 on the river, and button folding after about a minute of thought.

We should fold pre. I know it´s free to check and see a flop, but better to fold now and avoid a possibly sticky moneylosing situation.

looking at this hand some more I will add a few comments

Your reads in op on sb are not strong and do not clearly paint him as a tight player, or he could even be tagish but plan on running you over until you start playing back at him

Aside
For reference, when I play with new players in omaha I really do not go out of my way to adjust very much, I build big pots pre-flop and on the flop with favorable holdings and normally they will make plenty of mistakes without my help, in hu and short-handed pots their range will be more unbalanced and visible than more experienced players, I am more selective bluffing new players as they do not always sufficiently understand hand values and I will often be able to reach showdown inexpensively anyway

it is entirely possible that villain he leads flops with unboated 3s, overpairs with flush draw, aa8x no flush draw etc, maybe even well connected kkxx no flush, the sizing of pot in a limped pot is also not that meaningful, he reduced his amount on the turn

That being said, making a tight fold on the flop could be ok, especially for newer players
But again, if you call this flop and hit a boat on the turn you can never fold to the lead
Stack sizes weren't mentioned but not seeing what will happen if you call is being overly fearful
Villain might give up pretty easily, or maybe he will check and you will then have the chance to make a disciplined checkback

Sauhund I guess you re ironic,but we can not fold pre in bb cause

we can flop overfull or quads and that s a strong hand even for nit like me.

I don't think you can be a winning PLO player if you can't fold a full house.

In this particular hand, I would probably fold on the flop because it can be a huge reverse implied odds spot, but it depends on my opponent. If you are folding the turn, that probably means you should have folded the flop.

Luckily PLO is also new to me.

So obviously our hand got better on the turn but we also got two key new pieces of information. 1) button is interested in the hand and 2) SB bets pot a second time into two players. I'm not saying I shouldn't just release on the flop but .. I dunno!

So, when the SB leads into multiple people, his range usually looks like trips, a boat, a flush draw (usually the nut flush draw), or an overpair. Firing again on the turn after getting multiple callers makes the latter two less likely. It's pretty reasonable to put him on A3 or better. There are some players I know who would not lead with A3 or even 83 on the flop.

If SB is an experienced player who knows you are relatively new to the game, he may think that you are incapable of laying down trips. One question is whether he bet less than pot on the turn to try and get a call from a flush draw or if he was betting slightly smaller to save money if raised.

Let's look at a similar situation from hold em. Six-way pot and a competent player in the SB leads into you after you flop TPGK in the BB. I would argue that you should fold more often than most players would.

I still don't know if this fold was right. But I lean toward yes. In the hand, button called the turn bet. River came a Q, SB bet $150, button thought hard and folded.

Raise turn