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09-03-2017 , 06:32 PM

esspoker

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,630

5/5 game with 10 dollar straddle (not mandatory but everyone is doing it).

I have about 1,000, villain covers. Villain is seated to my left, a regular. I have seen him make some odd calls but we've talked and he can read hands decently. He's not one of the fishy fish at the table and there are a few of them.

I get KKxx in the cutoff. A few limps to me and I make it $50, standard raise at the table.

Villain calls and one other caller, three way to flop. I have a pretty tight/aggressive image, not involved in tons of pots, selective, etc.

Flop is AK9 two diamonds. (I have no diamonds.)

I bet pot, villain instant raises pot.

Hero?

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09-03-2017 , 07:26 PM

esspoker

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edit- other player folded before getting back to me

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09-03-2017 , 11:03 PM

VerdantDevil

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Call, bet turn on any non-diamond non-straight card. Otherwise, x/fold turn.

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09-04-2017 , 02:20 AM

esspoker

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Shoving is pretty bad, right? Basically no point in shoving?

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09-04-2017 , 05:12 AM

monikrazy

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Hmm.. this looks like a hold your nose and jam kind of spot but there are a few questions that are relevant before we decide:

What are other xx cards. Any diamonds?

any game dynamics that would make villain more likely to flat aaxx hands like aggro blinds / straddlers? Or superdeep players? Flatting aaxx on the button here could often only be viewed as a large fundamental error unless they are very ratty and limpers are unlikely to fold.

Tell us more about the odd calls you have seen.

Shoving is not automatically bad because it is probably the best way to get value vs certain hand combinations like 99xx, certain hands with 2 diamonds.

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09-04-2017 , 05:25 AM

sauhund

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Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 5,936

might think about another size than pot although I´m aware it´s the only betsizing allowed in livegames usually.

sidecards matter.
but no, don´t call and "evaluate turn" if you only got 1/3 PSB left ott

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09-04-2017 , 10:50 AM

GrimIsCool

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If he has AA then gg to him, we got tarped. There's no point in calling with practically nothing behind, it's all-in or fold and as his range is mostly 99xx and combo-draws then I think it's fine to GII.

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09-04-2017 , 12:39 PM

Pirate1081

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Originally Posted by esspoker

Shoving is pretty bad, right? Basically no point in shoving?

I won't say its a fist-pump shove, but there's no choice but to get it in here. We're not folding and if we call we only have something like 350 left with a pot of 1300+. There's no point in not raising.

He could easily have a worse made hand like AK, A9, or 99. He has Lots of Pair+ marginal draw combos we're well ahead of.

If he flopped a big combo draw then ok we're flipping.

If he somehow flatted weak AAxx from the button then we got coolered, but that doesn't seem like something to worry about.

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09-04-2017 , 05:14 PM

madlex

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Originally Posted by Pirate1081

There's even less than that left.

3 players to the flop for $50 each, SB/BB for $10 total, straddle and (at least) 1 l/f for (at least) $20 total so the pot on the flop is already at least $180. So if hero started the hand with $1000 and pot/calls flop, there's $1620 in the pot with something around $230 behind.

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09-04-2017 , 08:33 PM

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esspoker

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Guys I think I messed up, sorry...

I'm pretty sure after I bet pot he raised to something like 400 or 450. I know that I had plenty left. I might have started with about 1200 also. When it came back to me, I think I was facing about 300 more, and had about another 600 or 700 behind after cutting out the 300.

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09-04-2017 , 09:12 PM

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Pirate1081

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Originally Posted by esspoker

Makes more sense now why there's any question at least. Still shoving 100%.

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09-05-2017 , 05:50 AM

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ProfessorEd

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Thank you for the post I always love looking at hands and offering my opinion. But if you're seriously thinking about anything other than shipping PM when and where you're playing. If you said he is a regular and not a fish there is 0% he is cold calling button with Aces. There is a 1% chance he has AA28o. If you're confident he has a big diamond draw you could possibly call then ship non diamond, but I prefer to get it in. This is a 100% jam flop if he has Aces nice hand. You're not deep enough to even consider folding. Even if you had 999 I'd still say above 85% never folding but KK is possible AA is extremely unlikely

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09-05-2017 , 02:02 PM

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sauhund

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Originally Posted by ProfessorEd

If you said he is a regular and not a fish there is 0% he is cold calling button with Aces. There is a 1% chance he has AA28o.

underrated comment

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09-05-2017 , 06:18 PM

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esspoker

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He did have AAxx and I think he played it well, except he raised me too quickly. I think I could have folded, him knowing me and me knowing him playing for a few hours together. Theoretically in a vacuum I agree I should roll with it all day

and I like the cold call on button with AA for the exact reason of this hand

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09-13-2017 , 12:03 AM

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tonychet2

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Originally Posted by ProfessorEd

this.

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09-13-2017 , 01:23 AM

#16

plonoob

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insta-pot

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09-14-2017 , 01:15 PM

#17

Notthistimebuddy

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three kings no good....again. sick life

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09-29-2017 , 09:35 AM

#18

PeteGI

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This may seem like a super basic question so forgive me, but are there hands that we would actually be pot folding here often? Like in a vacuum given the scenario of a straddle we raise to 50 and get a bunch of calls in a 9/10 handed game, am I playing too weak if I am only potting when I connect hard on a flop that contains an Ace and King together? I'm sure there are game flow dynamics to consider, image etc, but it seems to me that a flop like this will smash someone and I would only be betting pot if I hit it hard. And if I did bet it would not be with the intention of folding to a raise.

I feel like your hand is more player dependent than anything.

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09-29-2017 , 11:16 AM

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jtm1208

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Calling his Re-Pot and then evaluating later streets is easily the worst option available to you based on stack sizes. Even if the FD and SD both hit, your committed at that point. It's either a fold or Re-Pot/All-In. Player dependent of course, but I'm thinking it's almost always a call here.

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