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03-31-2010 , 04:39 AM
Villian is 55/45. 3-bettor is Arabianight (playing pretty tight like 20/14, hasnt 3-bet yet). Im halfstacking for the moment.

Turn is a call right? What do you do on river?

Full Tilt Poker $1000.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $449.50
CO: $601.00
BTN: $646.00
SB: $1972.00
BB: $2016.00
UTG: $529.50

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is MP with 7 J 8 T
1 fold, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, BTN raises to $90, SB calls $85, 1 fold, Hero calls $65

Flop: ($280.00) J 2 A (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($280.00) J (3 players)
SB bets $100.00, Hero calls $100, BTN folds

River: ($480.00) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $275.00
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03-31-2010 , 06:23 AM
Very interesting spot, readless I am gonna pass here, when we call this turn with one player behind us villain can be pretty sure that a huge part of our range is Jxxx and he does not seem to care about it on river (In fact on river all we beat is a pure bluff I do not see a lot of Jxxx with worse kicker than ours)
I would call that just against a player who likes to barrel a lot
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03-31-2010 , 06:56 AM
For that sizing call all day long.
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03-31-2010 , 07:16 AM
The sizing is putting him all in. Regardless even tho it's likely ur outkicked its a snap call cause of card removal and that's the only hand that beats you
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03-31-2010 , 07:23 AM
2.5x opens, xprt halfstack play
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03-31-2010 , 07:26 AM
Didn't notice it puts him all-in, still obviously a call. Even if you knew he never bluffed you would still call.
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03-31-2010 , 11:22 AM
wow easy call:

1) hero does not necessarily have a J here, he can def. call the turn with AKxx or AQxx or a draw or whatever (which means villain can be bluffing the river)

2) odds are good

3) villain can bet worse 4value
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03-31-2010 , 11:33 AM
I wouldnt be thrilled about calling but would do it anyway.
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03-31-2010 , 11:36 AM
You missed out the most important info in the OP - how tight is the SB, how wide is his range for cold-calling a 3bet from the SB, what is his propensity to bluff, would he 4bet aces pre, would he try and get you to lay down what looks like a made hand AKxx or better?, does he even realize you probably have a made hand AKxx or better?
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03-31-2010 , 11:38 AM
I never fold, but then again it is vs arbiannit.
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03-31-2010 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chinaski101
I never fold, but then again it is vs arbiannit.
No Arbian has folded.
Villain is 55/45.
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03-31-2010 , 02:24 PM
i mean if this was arbianight it would be the easiest fold ever. this is the second.
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03-31-2010 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeestein
2.5x opens, xprt halfstack play
ok 2.5x opens are very standard in cap and shallow games. Obv if I was 100 bb deep id open to 3x or 3.5x.
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03-31-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gavz101
You missed out the most important info in the OP - how tight is the SB, how wide is his range for cold-calling a 3bet from the SB, what is his propensity to bluff, would he 4bet aces pre, would he try and get you to lay down what looks like a made hand AKxx or better?, does he even realize you probably have a made hand AKxx or better?
1) SB is 55/45.

2) Im guessing his 3 bet c/c range is decently wide compared to most players.

3) Not sure, havent seen him bluff yet

4) Im assuming he would 4bet aces pre. 99% of players at 5/10 would in this spot since arabian is kinda short too.

5) not sure

6) im guessing so, but not sure.
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03-31-2010 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by krmont22
i mean if this was arbianight it would be the easiest fold ever. this is the second.
yeh id snap fold here vs. arabian.
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04-01-2010 , 06:17 AM
snap call vs 55/45 loose lucy donk. his small turn bet is a cheap bluff bet/drawing hand bet/auto "turn donk bet after pfr checked A high flop" bet. and if he happened to have J with better kicker, we just have to pay off a 55/45 donk.
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04-01-2010 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by spino1i
ok 2.5x opens are very standard in cap and shallow games. Obv if I was 100 bb deep id open to 3x or 3.5x.
I was serious?!?

I also openning with 2x vs shorties in position

anyways, this hand is completely read dependent. What does he think you have when you call turn and is he likely to bluff against that range? Or is villain's thoughts are just PLO LOL *mash button*

I'd call since you've got bluffcatching/card removing trips vs 55/45. This is pretty much the most relevant stuff about the hand itself. I'd fold this against most regs though since you obviously have AKxx at worse and Jxxx very often.
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04-01-2010 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Zeestein
I was serious?!?

I also openning with 2x vs shorties in position

anyways, this hand is completely read dependent. What does he think you have when you call turn and is he likely to bluff against that range? Or is villain's thoughts are just PLO LOL *mash button*

I'd call since you've got bluffcatching/card removing trips vs 55/45. This is pretty much the most relevant stuff about the hand itself. I'd fold this against most regs though since you obviously have AKxx at worse and Jxxx very often.
lol i thought you were serious fwiw. too much scepticism/sarcasm in these forums..
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04-01-2010 , 09:36 AM
results: villain had AJxx and I lose my stack
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