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05-03-2019 , 04:19 PM

BreakEvenAt1-3

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New to PLO so unsure of this line, but after running equities on PPT it seems standard. (PS if anyone’s looking for a study buddy for live PLO hit me up!)

5/10
Hero with KJT9hhdd in LJ
UTG open to 40, 2 callers
Hero 3b to 215
HJ (unknown, 1700) 4b to 790, UTG+1 limper calls for 225 total
Hero calls

Flop (1805): 773hhd
Hero check, HJ jams 670
Hero calls

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05-03-2019 , 08:48 PM

monikrazy

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Assuming i understand this right, utg+1 was all in preflop and its hu.

In that case you should jam the flop yourself and villain may fold a hand incorrectly. For example villain may fold akqj but bet if checked to.

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05-04-2019 , 12:35 PM

chalupabatmann

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I highly doubt at these stack depths in live 5/10 villain has anything but AA.

That being said this is a hand we have to call the 4bet getting a decent price with and have to stack off with this SPR. I personally agree with the lead jam but as opponent always has AA it doesn't really matter and the money always goes in on the flop anyways. It sucks if he has hearts as we are almost dead but I'm sure as you see we have 28% against a range of just AA.

Where do you play live? Always looking for more players to study and share hands with.

Last edited by chalupabatmann; 05-04-2019 at 12:37 PM. Reason: Added last paragraph

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05-06-2019 , 10:45 PM

BreakEvenAt1-3

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Originally Posted by chalupabatmann

PM’d you. Agree he only has AA here. If we have a rundown type hand that has around 40% equity vs AA pre are we essentially obligated to call and see a flop?

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05-07-2019 , 11:46 PM

chalupabatmann

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I mean if we have the price we should typically call no? In this case we definitely have to because of the short stack's dead money gives us too good of a price.

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05-08-2019 , 02:50 PM

BulltexasATM

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Agree with monikrazy re: betting. If you are going to call anyway(and you should) you should bet all in on the slim chance he has A+3 broadway hand and might fold it (he shouldn't really be folding anything) but I've seen people do it. Also agree AA is his most likely holding.

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05-13-2019 , 09:40 PM

borg23

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Originally Posted by BulltexasATM

Nah 3 bet call pre
Literally nobody is folding after they 4bet and you can get away on hands where you flop 0 equity

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05-16-2019 , 01:02 AM

lolposting2016

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Don’t know if this is the best 3b ever vs utg.

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05-16-2019 , 03:51 AM

NoBluf

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Flop is standard AP, I dont think 3 betting pre vs a UTG open is that great your hand is very playable and going multiway is fine and the UTG opener will have AA a lot and you will make his life easy by just letting him 4 bet GII on any flop. Specially if your new to PLO I would take the low variance approach and just call pre vs a UTG opener.
PS. I am new to PLO myself aswell so this advise def isnt perfect

Having a lower dubble suited rundown would be a better 3-bet hand since these hands dont play great multiway.

If you wanna discuss some hands etc feel free to shoot me a message I play mostly NLHE

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05-16-2019 , 04:23 AM

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smoothcriminal99

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i dont 3b cause one of the callers is so short... if everyones deep i dont think utg range being strong really matters still a good hand to 3b

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05-16-2019 , 11:01 AM

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BulltexasATM

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Originally Posted by borg23

Nah 3 bet call pre
Literally nobody is folding after they 4bet and you can get away on hands where you flop 0 equity

We agree. Monikrazy was advocating betting on flop rather than check calling (as played by hero).

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05-16-2019 , 12:59 PM

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donkerr

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Originally Posted by NoBluf

on live PLO most of people are not really aware of the position and open UTG far wider then they should, so unless UTG is tight 3b is fine

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05-16-2019 , 03:00 PM

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borg23

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Originally Posted by BulltexasATM

We agree. Monikrazy was advocating betting on flop rather than check calling (as played by hero).

agreed, just shove the flop

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05-17-2019 , 05:16 PM

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ladybruin

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I 3B because it is double suited and I have the ten in my hand. But I am curious about the bottom of people's 3B range here.

Do you 3B this single suited? I don't, every wrap/rundown in my single suited range has an ace.

What is lowest structure of same hand as KJT9/ds do you still 3B? QT98/ds? Yes, it has the ten in hand. J987/ds? No for me, it doesn't have the ten. T876/ds? No, it has the ten but starts to get too low and is easily dominated by ranges people will still be in hand with and gap is at the top. If structure was different like T986/ds or T976/ds I play and make a player dependent 3B or CC.

Last edited by ladybruin; 05-17-2019 at 05:31 PM.

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