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07-17-2013 , 07:06 PM

OmahaDonk

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Cake Poker, $5/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #18460541

MP: $623.83 (62.4 bb)
CO: $674.83 (67.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $1,093.67 (109.4 bb)
SB: $1,803.96 (180.4 bb)
BB: $1,165.73 (116.6 bb)
UTG: $1,318.56 (131.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

UTG raises to $20, MP raises to $75, CO folds, Hero raises to $260, 2 folds, UTG raises to $870, MP calls $548.83 and is all-in

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UTG is playing 53/14 through 69 hands but has raised every time he entered an unopened pot

HJ is 35/26/8 over 4400 hands

Should we smash it in and gamble? Assuming UTG has AA most of the time.

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07-17-2013 , 07:10 PM

donkeykong2

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no, you probably have to fold here i think. the extra money behind is pretty bad.

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07-18-2013 , 10:27 AM

Dr.DownSwong

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Since we can't call a 5bet here, should we be 4betting in the first place? Wouldn't it be better to 4bet a hand (ds rundowns and AA?) that can call a 5bet?

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07-18-2013 , 11:32 AM

11t

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Seems like a fold since we have like at most 25% (giving UTG a 14% stack off range and MP an 8% stack off range) equity which is assuming UTG is shipping in 100% of his range. In reality UTG likely has AA, MP has a good run, and we have < 20% equity and are getting ~ 2.3:1.

As to whether or not we should fold/call/4b pf I just don't know. If we are 4betting expecting to squeeze out MP it seems like the 8% 3b range is just tight enough and he is just shallow enough that we can't really expect to get our money in better than 40% and he is never folding so we are just shoveling money into the pot as a dog.

I'm terrible at PLO though.

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07-18-2013 , 03:27 PM

sauhund

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Originally Posted by Dr.DownSwong

Since we can't call a 5bet here, should we be 4betting in the first place? Wouldn't it be better to 4bet a hand (ds rundowns and AA?) that can call a 5bet?

+1. i really hate cold 4bet/folding for 100bb, thus throwing away so much equity, but we have one of the worst hands against a AAxx heavy range.

cold call would be my default with this hand, 4bet/get it in against certain dynamics.
as played, gotta stove it. i think it´s a fold, but i´m horrible with equities. i´m not as horrible though as this hand plays against AAxx...

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07-27-2013 , 02:31 PM

Mustard_Tiger

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I started playing plo to avoid 4bet/folding.

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07-27-2013 , 10:41 PM

CastlesMadeASand

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Originally Posted by sauhund

+1. i really hate cold 4bet/folding for 100bb, thus throwing away so much equity, but we have one of the worst hands against a AAxx heavy range.

cold call would be my default with this hand, 4bet/get it in against certain dynamics.
as played, gotta stove it. i think it´s a fold, but i´m horrible with equities. i´m not as horrible though as this hand plays against AAxx...

If we're 5bet, our equity just went down a ton(assuming it's AAxx and only AAxx) so folding isn't really throwing away a lot of equity, and the times we get a call we have a low SPR with initiative so it seems like a fine spot to me given our hand's blocker's and ability to dominate our opponent's 4b calling ranges the times we both flop a pair.

Let's not forget the times we get one of them to incorrectly fold KK or the like when we 4b.

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07-27-2013 , 11:24 PM

OmahaDonk

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The above was of course my reasoning. I think I needed to fold to 5-bet but didn't in game.

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