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05-19-2018 , 02:52 PM

legal eyezit

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you have been raised all in on a 237r flop, and you have AAKKds, with two backdoor flush draws.

you're now heads up, and 99% sure you're up against a set, and if so you have just 20%equity.

you're not getting 4-1 on a call, in fact only getting almost 3-1.

you have 40% of your stack already in the middle. does that matter?

does the amount of money the remaining 60% actually is factor in?

is this a call or fold for you, and why?

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05-19-2018 , 03:36 PM

BDHarrison

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Originally Posted by legal eyezit

you have 40% of your stack already in the middle. does that matter?

does the amount of money the remaining 60% actually is factor in?

Neither of these things should matter.

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05-19-2018 , 07:45 PM

Shocked

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Originally Posted by legal eyezit

If your opponent plays that face up, or you have such a read, then no, stacking off with 20% equity when you need 25% to be EV neutral is not profitable...

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05-19-2018 , 09:40 PM

Pirate1081

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If your goal is to make money and play well then obviously fold. You answer the question directly - you need 4-1 and aren't getting it.

If this is trivially small stakes friendly game then call and ***** about it because its just for fun.

All other answers fall between those two extremes.

In reality I'll hardly ever run into this situation because the people in games I play aren't so terrible that a flop jam is 99% a set.

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05-20-2018 , 01:19 AM

grizy

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Do two things:
Calculate how sure you need to be to make the fold
Figure out how exploitable you are to fold one of your strongest AAs in this spot.

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05-20-2018 , 01:49 AM

wait

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99%? What hand is the 1% part?

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05-21-2018 , 10:07 PM

SolarAU

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Need a bit more information like flop action & SPR. Usually if the SPR is low enough to bet/call all in on this texture im usually GII here unless you think you can exploitatively fold against an unreasonably strong shoving range.

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05-22-2018 , 04:28 PM

legal eyezit

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i bet about 70% pot, first to act. he potted. 3rd player folded. spr is roughly 1/3. I called, mainly because of the two backdoor flushes, but I didn’t know my equity vs a set until later, but doubted i was ever good. yep, he had top set. I turned an A, and everyone at the table said I made a good call. soft table, perhaps myself included. i knew better.

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05-22-2018 , 04:30 PM

borg23

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What a terrible post
If you're 100 PCT sure you're up against a set then it's 5th grade math to figure out if you should call.go find a 5th grader to do the math for you and call or fold based on what the math says.

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05-22-2018 , 08:53 PM

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legal eyezit

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Originally Posted by grizy

Do two things:
Calculate how sure you need to be to make the fold
Figure out how exploitable you are to fold one of your strongest AAs in this spot.

i don't think it's a very exploitable fold vs this opponent. any raise size by him is going to represent "i beat your aces" here. but how would i go about figuring it out how exploitable it is?

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05-23-2018 , 09:17 AM

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PixieRust

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What kind of question is this?

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06-29-2018 , 01:28 PM

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iamallin

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1. Exploitability is very hard to define and measure in PLO because your opponents will almost always have respectable ( 20% ) equity against you. In holdem, you are exploitable if you let non equity hands show auto profit on their bluffs

2. This is a multiway pot so the onus of defending against a steal isn't entirely on you. Also he raised with action behind him.

3. Depending on the spr, I think check call or check raise are superior lines than bet call or bet fold.

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