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5/10 ante: 2nd nut str8 deep in position 5/10 ante: 2nd nut str8 deep in position

03-10-2010 , 07:34 PM
Don't know too much about villian, but we played a few hands HU before this table filled. Assuming he's decent as he bought in for 200x and was playing very LAGgy. His donk bet flop % is 20% as well, so i figure his range to be pretty wide here.. I think i have enough equity here to call the turn bet but was teetering back and forth on whether I should shove to protect against the numerous draws he could have. Problem is I could be drawing dead, If stacks were shorter I think shipping standard... btw pre is not standard for me, but utg+1 was a huge drooler..

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PL Omaha $10(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,951)
BB ($2,077)
UTG ($1,608)
UTG+1 ($1,283)
Hero ($2,007)
BTN ($1,115)

BB antes $1.50
UTG antes $1.50
UTG+1 antes $1.50
Hero antes $1.50
BTN antes $1.50
SB antes $1.50

Dealt to Hero A K 4 2

fold, UTG+1 calls $10, Hero raises to $54, fold, SB calls $49, fold, UTG+1 calls $44

FLOP ($181) 3 6 5

SB bets $130, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $130

TURN ($441) 3 6 5 T

[color=red]SB bets $360, Hero?
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03-10-2010 , 07:46 PM
call and re-evaluate river
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03-10-2010 , 08:19 PM
Call, prob call river too. Looks like a good spot for him to keep firing, and you are nearer to the top of your range on turn. He is often interpreting your call on the flop to be from a hand you arent likely to be showing down unimproved, a hand like QQxx with clubs or 9876 no clubs. I don't really like raising this turn this deep, when you play for deep stacks here on this turn against a decent player your hand doesnt do too well. I think there is more value in making him barrel river.
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03-10-2010 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 2handed
Call, prob call river too. Looks like a good spot for him to keep firing, and you are nearer to the top of your range on turn. He is often interpreting your call on the flop to be from a hand you arent likely to be showing down unimproved, a hand like QQxx with clubs or 9876 no clubs. I don't really like raising this turn this deep, when you play for deep stacks here on this turn against a decent player your hand doesnt do too well. I think there is more value in making him barrel river.
agree. anything but calling the turn feels pretty bad. easy call imo on a blank river given the type of villain and your passive line. i suppose half of the possible rivers would make me fold if he bet again but i wouldn't feel bad about it since those are the cards he should expect to have helped our range a lot.

even tho he might check the nuts on a blank river i guess i would still value bet pretty big, if checked to, and call it off if he c/r. he might have a set or something and call or c/r a missed draw thinking we can't really have the nuts after calling the turn.
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03-10-2010 , 10:13 PM
You're <50% against his value range here. No point in raising the turn. By calling though, you misrepresent your hand pretty well and should be able to play the river much better than villain.
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03-11-2010 , 11:37 PM
New to PLO, and micros at that, so can someone explain the rationale for not bloating the pot at some point here.
The villain surely cant have 47XX here after calling OOP so you currently have the effective nuts. A on the turn is unwelcome as is a board pairing card asssuming the villains donking range includes big draws and sets. The turn bricks off (sort off) and the pot is now around $800. Is the concern some hand with 789 and s? If so why not get more in the flop for value and protection?
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03-12-2010 , 01:33 PM
Two major factors here. First being his rather high flop donk percentage, meaning that he (correctly) leads rather wide here. Second being that there's very few 74xx combos in his range (assuming he's somewhat decent), given his preflop call OOP.

In conclusion, no other way to play this than to call turn, snapcall blank rivers, evaluate others. I'm fairly interested in what people think we should do on a variety of wet rivers, when checked to as well as when bet into.
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03-12-2010 , 07:35 PM
call turn, fold to a club or a nine on the river if bet into, snap/bet blanks
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03-12-2010 , 10:03 PM
Id just call turn
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03-13-2010 , 03:17 AM
just repeating what others have said, raising means the opponent gets to play the river way better than we will and it means we get in vs 47xx the few times they have it with 0% equity in a 400bb pot, which is a disastrous result

never rule out any hand in PLO short of a 5bet pot
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03-14-2010 , 12:06 AM
Does anyone else want to click it back/snap a 3-bet on blank rivers? Feel like he knows we won't have the nuts here and could tool out on a small raise, or bet/call fairly light since there's lots of hands that we get to the river with that we don't want to call a bet with. And the small number of 47xx combos means he doesn't need to tool very often considering he can also bluffcatch some % of the time.
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03-14-2010 , 02:30 PM
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Does anyone else want to click it back/snap a 3-bet on blank rivers?
Risk seems too high w/out intimate knowledge of villain.

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and could tool out on
lol.
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03-14-2010 , 04:27 PM
I think you can fold the flop in this instance unless you have specific reads which allow you to proceed further.
If you have good enough reasons to call the flop, then you just have to call down and max it out against his misses and misguided value bets.
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03-14-2010 , 05:34 PM
Just don't tank call the turn
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