5 mandatory straddle on button

I am small blind, I call with JJ6h3h

villian is on my left have 400 or so.

four to my left is a 1500 stack, which I cover.

Rest of table is 250 - 450. 7 handed.

I call the straddle. BB calls. utg calls. eventually there's a raise, I believe it was the 1500 stack, utg +2, to 35. As it comes around, there is one fold, but everyone else calls until the BB, who pots to 185 or so.

Everyone still in calls (about 5 other players). I am closing action in the SB. It's 150 to me, with 860 in the pot.

This is the first 3 bet pot with multiple callers in a couple of hours. I've been running cool/playing bad and just got back in the black when I returned the favor to a guy who beat me with q's full over j's full an hour earlier. Boy was that nice.

What do you do?

I fold pre - because that and is trash and so is your position. I don't even call the $5

If you lost any more than $1 in this hand you made a mistake.

Also this isn't high stakes. This is a very common live low stakes hand.

fold pre at every opportunity

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so you're asking if you should set mine in a 5 way pot for 185 pre, where 4 other players have around 300 behind and one guy has 1350?

is this for real?

Just wanted to hear it from someone else. I would've won 1700 with the 6 high flush. The small stacks all went in on a two heart queen high flop.

Also not sure if I can really set mine there. AA and KK are probably in play, and figure one or both of my jacks are dead with so many callers.

that's not how any of this works...

you cant assume your jacks are dead any more in this pot than if everyone would have folded.

aa and kk are alright to set mine against. you want to be paid off if you hit, and only relying on smaller sets is not a viable strategy.

especially multi way, you do not want to draw towards a 6 high flush. it doesnt matter if captain hindsight says you would have won it this time around, it's not a sound strategy, and the main reason everyone said fold pre, even fold first in.

this hand is utter garbage. if i were to compare it to a holdem hand it would be J3o, hoping to flop trip jacks but you would have won it with a flush with a live 3.

I think when you have 6 people in a 3 bet pot, which is high for a hand IN THIS GAME, I can assume more people have high cards than not.

The hand doesn't play much worse than AAxx or KKxx according to the randomizer, but that's against 5 random hands including AAxx and KKxx.

Your position sucks and as others said this hand is hard to make the nuts with unless you’re rolling the dice and feeling very lucky


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It's playable from any position at a loose, limp-y table where players rarely raise preflop and you have opponents who play too many hands just because they have a pair and go broke too often with non-nut sets. Not every PLO table is a super-gambool LAGfest.

This hand is dirt and yes I've called I'm similar spots bc I'm an idiot

However you made this post because you would have won which is a terrible mindset to have

I also hope you didn't tell the table your hand
You want them Calling with garbage like this

If you don't think I told the entire table at least six times "I woulda won" you are seriously underestimating what a loser I am.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

233,470 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
25%	20.68%	46,165	4,317
25%	20.68%	46,180	4,268
25%	20.62%	46,049	4,279
25%	20.79%	46,421	4,296
JxJy6z3z	17.23%	39,631	1,210

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

200,958 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
25%	20.52%	39,104	4,364
25%	20.39%	38,813	4,423
25%	20.66%	39,382	4,367
25%	20.53%	39,129	4,367
95%!AA!KK	17.90%	34,364	3,306

You could probably play any hand here

This mischaracterizes the spots that can be Very challenging for hero. What would hero do on a 345 hh board, 457 rainbow or hh, TJQ, JQK, JQQ, etc etc etc. ??

position is critical here. The hand is tough to play postflop in spots where stacks are going in. We end up folding the best hand or calling with second best a ton.


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Would you really have risked going all in on a Q high flop with a 6 high flush draw? Or called another $200 - $250, regardless of how much was in there? That's pretty bad. As bad as calling the $5 pre, but not quite as bad as calling the $35. Glad you folded to the 3bet.

Just fold the first time around. Seriously. We all have hands we would have won -- if only. This is not a hand to play, especially from SB.