please the move if 5-0 should be SSPLO

been trying to jump into this game all night, decided to leave the casino then I was called. So I sat.

original raiser doesn't really engage at the table, played no hands when he was at my 2-5 NL table earlier. I've seen him raise maybe 2 hands and fold everything else. Playing 300bb effective

Preflop: 2 limps, villain raises to 25, 1 call, I call OTB KQ77, 1 call, 1 fold, off to a flop

Flop ($105) A75
check, PFR snap pot $105, 1 fold, I call OTB

i think this is pretty standard. I have no backup to my set. Will see the turn and decide where I want to go from here.

Turn: ($315) 3
check, check

i don't know if he's the type to check raise nut flush. i see his check as indicating a medium strength holding on the turn. i check thinking that if i bet and the river bricks off, i'm turning my hand into a bluff. i don't think i'd get thin value on the river. checking lets me balance smaller flushes and nut straights. with this opponent, i don't think he's folding the turn, thus check. i think i turn my hand relatively face up by checking back. i would generally just bet the turn and evaluate rivers

River: ($315) 3
he snap pots $315, can we ever fold this river as played?

I don't think villain ever has 33 unless it's like KK33 but I discard that as a possible holding based on the turn check. Occasionally he has A3xx in combos of AK3x. I don't think he opens the pot with hands like A345 so it would be more flush draws that would have a pair and bets the flop. I don't block aces obv, he has playing super tight, he snap pots, I don't like my hand. I call thinking folding would let me be bluffed too much. Do we fold the river or is it calling as played then on to the next one?

Thoughts on turn/river greatly appreciated.

I am assuming the guy who raised preflop is the guy doing the betting on the flop and the river?

If the original raiser is the guy ding the betting, yes, we can fold this and probably should given description.

yes, sorry. corrected

well you're not folding, so call. assuming he never has quads here, you're beat by 3 combos

I don't know. This looks exactly like AA from a tight player. Is he checking turn w/ a flush? Is he really potting river w/ A3 or 55 (is he raising pre w/ 55?) or his flush? Does not seem likely, but I guess you can find out.

i had that exact thought process and then I started with the justifications. "a double paired 55 hand", "fancy play-itis with A3xxhh that missed a check raise on the turn". I figured he always has AA, just wanted to check to see if it looked that way to others.

As played, looks like AAxx with no flush draw to me. I'd honestly consider folding the flop if this guy is a super nit that only raises with AAxx preflop. Definitely seems like the river call would not be profitable against his range, which to me would consist of AAxx at least 85% of the time or more.

I don't think you ever have to be worried about 33 here, it's AA or bluff.

I find that the people that have the discipline to play tight ranges of PLO and not stray off are usually winning players that take advantage of other players playing too wide off a range of hands. There's a guy that we make fun off for being a nit in our 5/5 games that we play, but he is a former lawyer/Fish that has taken the time to become a winning professional poker player. It's amazing the amount of times he will 3 bet/4 bet preflop, Ace on the flop and get 2 - 3 streets of value. It's like they the players are trying to convince themselves their middle set is good and this may be the one time he doesn't have AA.

I'd go one further and say I would honestly consider folding preflop against this opponent. I think I would call KQ99ds pre and fold KQ66ds.

Agreed, this is one of those hands that is just designed to get people in trouble post flop. There is not much connectivity, even being double suited. There aren't very many nutted hands you can make here, but a king high and queen high flush can easily lose quite a bit to Nut Flushes.

I think it's a 3b generally and plays so easy post flop, however, I don't disagree with a thing said about the connectivity/trouble hand aspect. In these sorts of games, sans the AA guy here, you flop a set and could easily get huge value against A5xx or people not folding flushes on the river. I think a PF fold OTB is game dependent (as most situations tend to be).

I debated whether a 3 bet was a quality play here or not initially, but based on Hero's description of the villain I decided it is better to fold. If the original better was more of a typical live PLO player and not so tight preflop, I'd recommend 3 betting in lieu of calling.

You plan on 3betting to isolate preflop with the intention of calling what sounds like a likely 4bet from aces? I'm not super-enthusiastic about doing that with this particular hand.

If we've seen this player limp with good rundown hands, I'd be fine assigning him a range that is at least 95% aces. If we've seen him limp with bad aces, I'd be willing to assume he only raises pre with good aces that have at least one suit and some straight potential.

Player has not limped anything, he's literally opened 3 hands and claimed AA on both of the others. BS or not, who knows?

In this instance because he's so AAxx heavy in my eyes and one of the side cards could easily be an K or Q, I opted for the call OTB with the intention of playing for set value or to just get a part of the deck that I could blow him off his hand as we have a 14:1 SPR OTF. I know a 3b/call is incredibly mediocre thus the looser PF call with the above in mind if that makes sense.

77xx has a decent chance of running to a bigger set when you hit the flop, so I am not enthusiastic about playing it if the pot looks to be multiway, as single-raised PLO pots often are. I'm a bit surprised that both blinds and one limper folded. Often, you get players calling against obvious aces trying to hit two pair. I'd be more willing to call if we had a decent chance of getting heads up.

How do you expect him to play unimproved aces? Do you think he will bet/fold the flop? Check/fold? Check/call flop, check/fold turn? What is your plan if you flop a flush and he pots the flop?

Even against a non-nit raiser, I probably lean towards folding preflop, but I tend to have a very tight image where I am not going to get a lot of action when I hit the flop hard. A player with a loose image can call with this hand. I should probably only call if I have the intention of winning a small pot. In practice, I probably call more than 25% the time and less than 75% of the time with this type of hand, OTB, facing a raise.

Fold pre ainec

Never fold a boat bro...number one rule of poker

Don't play if you can't fold a boat....number one rule of PLO.