Villain is playing aggro 34/22/13 3bet %,
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $4(BB) Replayer
SB ($400)
BB ($842)
UTG ($513)
UTG+1 ($526)
Hero ($1,244)
BTN ($468)

Dealt to Hero K 4 9 K

fold, fold, Hero raises to $14, BTN raises to $42, fold, fold, Hero calls $28

FLOP ($90) 3 9 7

Hero checks, BTN bets $65, Hero raises to $190, BTN calls $125

TURN ($470) 3 9 7 Q

Hero bets $470, BTN calls $236 (AI)



And Hand 2:

Villain is more TAG 18/15/4% 3bet

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $4(BB) Replayer
SB ($414)
BB ($400)
UTG ($747)
UTG+1 ($1,004)
Hero ($652)
BTN ($196)

Dealt to Hero K K T 4

fold, UTG+1 calls $4, Hero raises to $18, fold, fold, BB raises to $60, fold, Hero calls $42

FLOP ($126) J 5 9

BB bets $96, Hero raises to $374, BB calls $244 (AI)

1) bleh probably ok if villain has a high cbet %

2) fold. (somewhat important who utg+1 is)

bump

The thing is about these spots is that if you don't put them on a range which is mostly aces, then shouldn't you just 4 bet pre? I mean its one thing if you have a legitimate extra, but an extra pair to me doesn't qualify much. With weakish kings the only good flops to commit to generally involve hitting a king or your suit, and the suit can be a trap. (PLO 101 obv) I mean i know flatting can occasionally induce spazz from the few types of hands that kings play well against (which is generally only hands with lower pairs in them and some rundowns), but if you are planning on bombing any board which looks semi safe, then 4 betting seems better, unless you are deep enough to push them off aces postflop or something.

I generally hate uncoordinated kings in PLO for this reason, i open with them but pretty much never three bet, and if i do end up getting three betted, i am definitely looking to hit hard or go home. Yes i am a nit, but this generally has saved me from a lot of heartache.

I agree playing KKXX in these spots is a very common and very difficult one. Solid KKXX I do 4bet PF some. I chose to flat these Kings for differnet reasons. for hand1) to let villain overplay worse hands on dry flops. And Hand2) Because I thought AAXX was too large a portion of his 3bet range.
My plan was as follows;
-Spike a K
-Flop a strong enough draw, FD, or OESD
-Also to attack flops that are likely bad for both our ranges; 457 etc.

These two flops are in between the scenarios. If I am up against AA** only than its -ev to get stacks in, but flopping the BD FD and TP makes it less bad. And if I am ever up against worse hands, and significant portion of the time, then my thought was I should get it in.

hand 1 looks good to me.

2 is proly a fold tbh...

Hand #1 I think you must 4-bet pf. This is a hand that plays bad oop and deeper and you want to negate villain's positional advantage and lower the stack-to-pot size ratio (because KKxx plays better with a lower stack-to-pot size ratio in general)

As played I think c/c'ing flop is vastly superior to c/r'ing.

Hand #2 Is probably a fold, but maaaybe you can get away with calling if you think you can steal the pot on a lot of turns. Shoving is very bad imo. Generally I fold flop in this spot, and in fact I think folding pre isnt half bad either.

Hand 2 is a fold IMO the guys 3 bet is 4% he has AA almost 100% of time. I would rather fold pre than stack off on this board although a call and donk on certain turns is an option.

Both look like spew to me. 1 less than 2.

Isnt AA 2% ?