Saturday night bovada.

Hero bb 570bb
UTG 450bb
UTG+1 100bb
Button(maniac) 140bb
SB 150bb

Utg and my stack is mostly built from button going cray. Utg seems to be competent and realizes what is going on.


Checked around pre.


Hero J92d6d


Flop 8d 7d 5c

Hero pots 5bb
utg clicks back to 10bb
utg1 flats
button flats
hero scared pots to 57bb


Am I supposed to go broke here presumably getting freerolled by at least a better flush draw somewhere? Roll can handle the swing, but shits when utg flats and a scare card hits turn.

I wouldn't be in a hurry to put it all in.

I wouldn't have put in that scared raised. In a 4 way pot out of position just play tight and hope it holds. And since you called the button a maniac I probably would have bet the flop and instead hoped the maniac bet it. I like the line of checking to the maniac and if he bets, then deciding if you wan to check-raise. And that check-raise could actually be delayed to the turn or the river if he is a true maniac.

This reminds me, does anyone remember the Poker Table Ratings (PTR) triple check-raise sand bag icon?

Wait. What is "checked around pre"? Limped around?

Lead is "okay". I think waiting for a safer turn could be better, but it's close I think. You're not exactly getting played back a ton and you have some value in protecting or pushing equity. I prefer x/c for sure though.

Absolutely do NOT 3bet, that's... no, don't. You just get crushed by a value range. This is true even at 100bbs deep, at this depth, you really can't. Just call. Can lead some brick turns I think.

Sorry checked around pre=limped. I'm bb, but would have still called a raise with maniac in the pot because of maniac. On the flop maniac is calling no matter what in my opinion, which ****s my **** up because I'm oop deep to a click back.

I don't think you should if it was raised. When you're deep, you want hands that have nut potential.

When it comes down to it it depends on how loose exactly they are clicking back that spot, but in my experience, poker players exaggerate how loose their opponents are and do not adjust for how just because they are loose in one spot they might not be as loose in another.

I'm guessing river diamond would have gone check/check.

*for what its worth - i didnt saw the results yet

i feel like runouts are to bad for us to pot it here and feel comfortable with. thing is i wouldn't lead but that lead actually went pretty good for u.



With this action I think pot here is a decent idea but i have to say im shutting down on all turn which change the nuts vs UTG.
In a strong field i might also snap call the click bet to make the action still running if that makes sense.
I mean they all are basicllly 100bb+ !UTG. so ill take that pot and pray and hope he clicks me with somthing that is folding according to the action

i also think u shouldn't call this pre if there was a raise BTW.

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Forgot about that. I don't think ever got one over the millions of stupid nlhe hands played.

I may be wrong, but I still cotton to playing a2c/a4c when a massive fish is at the table. Same goes for nlhe, live or online. Missing out on tilty spew sucks, but it also sucks a hairy bean bag to being in my OP spot.

That’s greed and lack of database analysis fooling you. I’d recommend against this. You lose a lot of money defending multi-way,

Your hand is a little weak for pot/re-pot in this situation.

But you may be able to improve your line by checking or leading out for less than pot. Vs a maniac, xr is often way better since he may get it in too light on both flop or turn.

1) Never go broke in a limped pot!

2) Never go broke when you only have 3 nut cards in a multi-way pot

3) Never count on getting better to fold out when you re-raise .. You're behind and most of your made hands will either be beat or chops.

4) The other shorties will start to push back when you try to Iso here .. and (again) your holding doesn't stand up very well to them .. even their 'bad' draws may be ahead of your actual holding.

5) You're OOP, which means any holding that stays in the hand can play perfectly against what comes out on the Board.

6) Playing with profit can be fun! GL

Jeez, Seems to me there's a bunch of nits in this thread. (Of course, they all agree, so I am probably way off base.)

You've got the nuts, a nut redraw, and at worst diamond blockers and a best a flush draw. I LIKE the pot re-raise. You'll probably get a couple of very live callers and be beat and have to fold if the board pairs or a diamond comes. But there are lots of blanks and you will have exactly a pot-sized bet left and will be printing money even against stacked opposition on the turn.

OOps, just saw UTG has huge stack. Maybe caution after all, min-raise when that deep is pretty suspicious. Still, don't think it's far wrong given the 10 redraw and diamonds.

Why not 3bet to something small and hope the maniac squeezes for you?

Oops .. butchered this one .. I saw the Flop as 874, not 875

We hold the nuts with a nut redraw (Tx), but are still very vulnerable to runouts. Much tougher spot than previously thought.

I think we flat the 10bb and hope to see a safe Turn, then decide if we want to go nuts playing this deep. GL

No problem. Your rule #1 from 2005 "never go broke in a limped pot" made me ignore you,so no worries.

Yeah it's a pretty meme rule. I would hope anyone playing "high stakes" has graduated from reductive rules of thumb like that.

You're never 'graduated' from anything in poker .. Rule #1, which is not 'a rule' as much as just the first thing listed, simply means 'be aware' (that the barn door was left open for all to come in)

It's starting to sound like PHell in here ... GL