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04-12-2011 , 01:41 PM

Burnsabre

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BTN opens 100% otb, 3 bets 40%, 4 bets a ton, won't fold anything to 4 bets and plays very lag postflop. SB is solid. I prolly got a little bit of a spewy image pre cus I generally don't know what I'm doing.

Kinda lost everywhere here.

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PL Omaha $6(BB) Replayer
SB ($1,516)
Hero ($1,446)
CO ($659)
BTN ($1,193)

Dealt to Hero K

fold, BTN raises to $21, SB calls $18, Hero raises to $84, BTN raises to $273, SB calls $252, Hero raises to $1,092, BTN calls $920 (AI), fold, Hero calls $101

Is it worth it to ship here? (BTN never folds, SB might fold like 25% of the time) Flat pre? Flat when the 4 bet comes back?

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04-12-2011 , 01:46 PM

CantTellIfSrs

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lol

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04-12-2011 , 01:53 PM

StickingItIn

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Originally Posted by CantTellIfSrs

lol

ban.

yeah looks good imo.

i really dont get with what SB is coldcalling a 4-bet and than fold to a shove.

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04-12-2011 , 02:04 PM

urubu111

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3bet is fine and id flat vs 4b. 5betting isn't bad, but id rather see a flop.

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04-12-2011 , 02:37 PM

CantTellIfSrs

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Originally Posted by StickingItIn

ban.

yeah looks good imo.

i really dont get with what SB is coldcalling a 4-bet and than fold to a shove.

HU?

5b is not good

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04-12-2011 , 03:02 PM

JROSEALM

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id rather just see a flop

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04-12-2011 , 04:40 PM

bigbgballin

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standard.

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04-12-2011 , 08:55 PM

Vanhaomena

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Originally Posted by Burnsabre

... SB is solid.

(BTN never folds, SB might fold like 25% of the time)

Coldcalling the $273 and folding to further action isn't solid, no matter what his hand is

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04-12-2011 , 09:04 PM

WhoWhoOwl

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I also like seeing a flop better. As pretty as your hand is, you can be dominated a ton here.

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04-13-2011 , 12:25 AM

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mixmastermattyk

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Originally Posted by urubu111

3bet is fine and id flat vs 4b. 5betting isn't bad, but id rather see a flop.

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11-26-2011 , 04:47 PM

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Insistent_

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3bets fine. 5bet I don't like. Your hand will be really easy to play post-flop.
Why not use this to your advantage. B on the other hand will often have a gappy hand and impossible dilemmas on the flop. If there was a slight chance of pushing the third player out an all-in would be trivial since you gain so much ev it's ridiculous. But realistically he will never fold.

except this time

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11-26-2011 , 04:54 PM

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MauriceSch

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Originally Posted by bigbgballin

standard.

Definitely not standard. I just call as well

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11-26-2011 , 05:46 PM

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sauce123

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it's kind of close, but call is definitely better

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11-26-2011 , 05:48 PM

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sauce123

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this depends a lot on preflop assumptions though. if you think btn 4bets <12%, then call. if you think he 4bets >15%, then ship

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11-26-2011 , 05:59 PM

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TGSM89

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I must be a fish, because I think this is super standard call... don't see merit of jamming (our 9 is not an ace, so jamming for value pre is way too thin even vs a laggy player...)

+ stacks with the relative position we have is awesome for playing well postflop

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11-27-2011 , 05:17 AM

#16

Insistent_

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Originally Posted by sauce123

this depends a lot on preflop assumptions though. if you think btn 4bets <12%, then call. if you think he 4bets >15%, then ship

How do you put the breaking point at exactly 15%? Or anyone else?
Just curious.

btw, This is his sauciness himself I'm quoting, right?

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11-27-2011 , 07:46 AM

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snapehead

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Originally Posted by Insistent_

How do you put the breaking point at exactly 15%? Or anyone else?
Just curious.

btw, This is his sauciness himself I'm quoting, right?

yea its sauce

some sick PPT work no doubt. the fact he says that is completely mystical to me and i would also like to know where he is getting that from

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11-27-2011 , 08:25 AM

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SeaKing

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EZ Call 80% of the time, sometimes I just ship because I just want to gamble now and get a bigger edge vs a weaker hand when I decide to gamble again in the future.

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11-27-2011 , 12:07 PM

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j.a.o.p.

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shoving is +ev due to sb.
calling might be better,but post isn`t really easy to play.....

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11-27-2011 , 12:44 PM

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MATT111

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Nothing wrong with shipping. Its close I guess.

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11-28-2011 , 03:47 PM

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sauce123

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Originally Posted by Insistent_

How do you put the breaking point at exactly 15%? Or anyone else?
Just curious.

btw, This is his sauciness himself I'm quoting, right?

I'm assuming for simplicity sake that we realize 100% of our equity when we flat. then i just see if we are ahead either hu or 3way or both against plausible ranges using ppt

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11-28-2011 , 11:02 PM

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snapehead

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sauce/anyone what are you inputting for SB range here

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