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08-04-2009 , 12:11 AM

Praetor

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Party Poker $600.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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BTN: $1561.30
Hero (SB): $622.50
BB: $892.05
UTG: $3683.40
CO: $118.80

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is SB with K

1 fold, CO calls $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $24, BB calls $18, CO calls $18

Flop: ($72.00) 7

(3 players)
Hero bets $30.00, BB calls $30, CO folds

Turn: ($132.00) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $96.00, BB calls $96

River: ($324.00) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks,

Villain is bad passive player, 40/9 over a very large sample, low aggression and low raise cbets etc, you know the type

what type of bet size is best, if any?

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08-04-2009 , 12:51 AM

JROSEALM

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I think something like 1/2 pot, cause it's callable and sounds like he doesn't really get relative hand strength

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08-04-2009 , 12:51 AM

BananaBalla

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100

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08-04-2009 , 02:15 AM

Doorbread

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Of course you bet. Bad / passive players would have told you if they had the nuts by now. Sizing depends on how cally he is. I'd bet a lot more than a hundred though.

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08-04-2009 , 04:00 AM

grizy

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I probably bet 280 to pot.

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08-04-2009 , 04:34 AM

Pokerpudel

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Why just a 100 banana? I think if he is bad he has to calll a Qhigh flush vs. every bet and he might even call pretty much even flush if he puts us on the bare Ace. I think I wouold bet something like 250

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08-04-2009 , 05:03 AM

Recon20k

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id bet pretty big too, if he owns you with a cr he owns you. You can trust a passive player not to rando spazz out and bluff raise you.

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08-04-2009 , 07:53 AM

wazz

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$222.22

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08-04-2009 , 08:52 AM

Hattifnatt

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~200/fold

not a big fan of the small flop bet.

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08-04-2009 , 11:51 AM

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BananaBalla

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Originally Posted by Pokerpudel

oops thought this was a single raised pot.

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08-04-2009 , 01:00 PM

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Roy

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It is.

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08-04-2009 , 01:06 PM

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noiD

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bet/fold 196$ in my book.

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08-04-2009 , 01:39 PM

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BananaBalla

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Originally Posted by Roy

It is.

lol i've confuzzled myself. need to sleep more.

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08-04-2009 , 03:04 PM

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coldi

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Less drugs, too.

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08-04-2009 , 03:21 PM

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Pascal Batros

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Originally Posted by noiD

bet/fold 196$ in my book.

i dont think this player is able to make this line with nutflush

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08-04-2009 , 03:24 PM

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*Rory*

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Originally Posted by Pascal Batros

i dont think this player is able to make this line with nutflush

eh watcha talking about

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08-04-2009 , 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by grizy

I probably bet 280 to pot.

This. Or $273.

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08-04-2009 , 05:04 PM

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noiD

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Originally Posted by Pascal Batros

i dont think this player is able to make this line with nutflush

I think that if he is a callingstation, the 1 out of 70 times he shoves over our riverbet he has the nut FD. My statement does not say how often he pushes the river, but i think it is very rare - like never.
And if he has 3rd nut flush he will never push in that spot.
I think it is more likely the station is on a set.
The 196 is hoping he pays off with some sort of cathed straight and his brain farts.

Dion

Last edited by noiD; 08-04-2009 at 05:06 PM. Reason: Brain fart

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08-04-2009 , 11:21 PM

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stevepa

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250+ imo, fish don't like to fold flushes. Checking is pretty bad, he'll check back some weaker flushes that he'd call with and there's nothing he can really have that will bluff.

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08-05-2009 , 06:53 PM

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greywolf

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pot flop pot turn pot river.

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08-06-2009 , 01:11 AM

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benwood

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What's wrong with potting on every street postflop?

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08-06-2009 , 01:19 AM

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straightaway

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meh... I like small bets in these types of situations and I def bet river something smallish

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08-06-2009 , 02:42 AM

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Mister Havisham

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bet halfpot because fish are a lot more susceptible to bluffs than people think
and u have 2nd nutflsuh blocker. i would bluff here if I had A

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